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No fancy fitness (Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 20:42:38 -0600 (GMT-06:00) From: George Mason To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: RE: [Eskrima] Kempo Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hey Andrew, Master Barongan's contact info is as follows: Barongan Martial Arts Academy 5925 SW 9th Street Des Moines, IA 50315 (515) 285 0067 Again, I can't say enough good things about Master Barongan. He and his family have stayed at my home before. And they have all treated me with the utmost respect. They are a wonderful family. And he is an amazingly knowledgable martial artist. If you have any interest in forms, ask Master Barongan to demostrate his forms with the tonfa. He has the best tonfa forms I have ever seen. And he also has some very old kemp forms that are beautiful. I highly recommend him as both a teacher and a friend. Geo the Bear ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Marc Denny" To: Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 06:01:54 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Good manners Part 3 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Woof All: Pat asked: "if the crime has been displaced, other than tourists where else has it moved to? Burglaries? Carstereos?" Not to my knowledge The studies I have seen concerning concealed carry in various states have generally showed positive results across the board and "Wild West" fears to be unfounded. My only point here was that those identifiable as likely to be unarmed tended to suffer. Like the saying goes "Society is safer when criminals don"t know who is armed." Those interested reading further on this theme should check out the thread on our forum titled "We the well-armed people". Woof, Crafty Dog > Woof All: > A ways back FL passed its concealed carry law to a similar chorus of > yowling and yapping from usual suspects. Net result: Decrease in crime. > I >apologize for not being able to site specific studies, but I saw a number > of studies that seemed to me to be quite sound. The only drawback was in >increase in attacks against out of state tourists (identified by accents, >rental cars, out of state license plates etc) The criminal element >reasoned (correctly) that they were less likely to be carrying. > >Crafty --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 14:36:29 +0100 From: iPat To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Good manners Part 3 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net by the reference to an increase in the attacks on tourists, its obvious that the crime is simply being displaced. Now while it may not register on people being shot, where is the crime being displaced to as i dare say the demand is still there to satisfy drug habits and the other motivations for terrorising people into handing over their property. For me (dare i even suggest others) to be impressed with the argument that arming people works as well as playing devils advocate, until the people perpetuating this claim can prove where the displacement is showing up only leaves a shallow argument, not worthy of the intellect clearly abundant here on this list. : ) in the UK, after years of finding your car stereo missing amongst the broken window glass, the car manufacturers made great improvements in the design and security of the said item. Since this is no longer an easy way for someone to generate the quick funds for bag of scag, we have seen a dramatic rise - at least in my city - of handbags being snatched from women and youngsters held up for mobile phones, mp3 players and bikes. now to me it would seem that while treating the symptoms, we should also deal with the cause. For the drug trade, in the war on terror for example we have seen the Northern Alliance in Afghanistan restored and the poppy fields blossom. A fair question would be to ask if the people who are profiting off selling the military armour might be the same people who are also profiting from the increase in sales of civilian weaponry. Perhaps to those people, the war on drugs doesn't make good business sense? Where i live, the crime is a result of poverty or drugs. I agree with empowering people to be able to defend themselves but i also think we need to deal with the root of the issue otherwise we bring up our children in a far less secure society. > The studies I have seen concerning concealed carry in various states have > generally showed positive results across the board and "Wild West" fears to > be unfounded. My only point here was that those identifiable as likely to > be unarmed tended to suffer. Like the saying goes "Society is safer when > criminals don"t know who is armed." > > Those interested reading further on this theme should check out the thread > on our forum titled "We the well-armed people". > > Woof, > Crafty Dog > > > Woof All: -- iPat live for today, live for tomorrow "Truth is a pathless land. Man cannot come to it through any organisation, through any creed, through any dogma, priest or ritual, nor through any philosophic knowledge or psychological technique. He has to find it through the mirror of relationship, through the understanding of the contents of his own mind, through observation and not through intellectual analysis or introspective dissection..." --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Good manners Part 3 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 06:47:19 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > by the reference to an increase in the attacks on tourists, its > obvious that the crime is simply being displaced. Umm, no. Crime, like eating cheese, is not a zero sum game. Just because cheese eating increases in one town it does not then follow that cheese eating must decrease in another. The same goes with crime. The slight increase in attacks on tourists in rental cars, as the data did seem to show for a short time, was a temporary blip. One that was not seen for very long, if ever. Back to FMA.?. Thanks. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Arndt Mallepree" To: Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Good manners Part 3 Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 17:13:41 +0200 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Back to FMA! Does the fact that I do train people in the FMA and this armed and unarmed mean, that they should be armed while going out? Or does such behavior only cause even more damage??? Most street situations have two solutions - one is that two people follow their way and nothing happens, the second two people argue and finally hit, shoot or kill one another. Today mostly for the interest in things like money etc.pp.! But how often does the thought of a trained person, that he might get attacked block the first solution and violance in any given option takes place? Cause I am a cop I don´t have the option to just walk away. That is why we are armed! Who else has this obligation to always walk right into violance and crime situations? The FMA´s devoloped so great fighting skills in cause of the violante history of the Philippines. And the traditional wearing of weaponary cannot be taken out of this history and taken to Europe or other more peacefull countries without questioning the necessarity of weapons to survife the day! Training in the FMA´s helped me alot during my work!!! And I thank God for the instruction I had and still get from my Instructors - "cause it is my life in combat"! My thoughts on this discussion! Train hard and safe Arndt www.ifcm.de ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray" To: Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 3:47 PM Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Good manners Part 3 > > by the reference to an increase in the attacks on tourists, its > > obvious that the crime is simply being displaced. > > Umm, no. Crime, like eating cheese, is not a zero sum game. Just because > cheese eating increases in one town it does not then follow that cheese > eating must decrease in another. The same goes with crime. > > The slight increase in attacks on tourists in rental cars, as the data did > seem to show for a short time, was a temporary blip. One that was not seen > for very long, if ever. > > Back to FMA.?. > > Thanks. > > Ray Terry > rterry@idiom.com > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Buz Grover Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 16:35:43 -0400 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Making good manners good policy Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Pat asks: > if the crime has been displaced, other than tourists where else has it > moved to? Burglaries? Car stereos? The best published research on the topic I know of can be found in John Lott's book More Guns, Less Crime. In his county by county comparison in the US he did note some trends, though they were hardly universal or consistent. Burglary of unoccupied dwellings rose in some places, as did car theft, though the correlation was hardly one to one. As I mentioned in an earlier thread, my guess is that concealed carry complicates criminal calculus, causing them to spend more time weighing risks and hence less time committing crimes. I think it's also well worth noting that women are one of the beneficiaries of concealed carry laws; the incidence of sexual assault and rape also drops after concealed carry laws are passed. Haven't seen any research exploring if those criminal impulses are displaced. I also would not be surprised to discover that the elderly benefit too; a firearm quickly levels any uneven criminal playing field. Regards, Buz Grover --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Good manners Part 3 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 19:05:32 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Does the fact that I do train people in the FMA and this armed and unarmed > mean, that they should be armed while going out? I would hope so. We know that resisting an attack is better than not resisting... better in that we are more likely to survive the attack with fewer injuries. And resisting with a weapon yeilds yet a better chance that the attack will fail. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 19:17:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Eskrima] No fancy fitness Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net The Manila Times Tuesday, May 03, 2005 No fancy fitness at Makati's YMCA by Ayn Veronica L. De Jesus Imagine a place where you can set the spirit free, allow it to soar, and be at its best. A place where you can flush away the toxins the world's toxins, and empty your mind so that it may be filled with all things new and good. A place where your find your natural high. Where your body reaches its peak and you can do almost anything. Where you set sights on a goal, and get a good sweat and a good beating to achieve it. In one little corner of Makati--at the periphery of the nerve-wracking pace of the prime financial district--is such a place. The YMCA of the business district, which, as it should be, not your typical expensive and exclusive fitness center. A far cry from Gold's Gym, Clark Hatch, Fitness International, or Fitness First. There is no air-conditioned gym at Makati's YMCA (Young Men's Christian Association). The sauna is a natural heat and humidity. The gym equipment is not necessarily electronically controlled. The center offers the perfunctory gym services--and, as you will find out, much, much more. Wellness day Makati's YMCA recently held a Wellness Festival in April to promote it's a range of Asian martial arts on offer there, such as our very own arnis, China's tai chi, Japan's aikido and shotokan karate, Korea's hwa rang do, Thailand's muay Thai (kickboxing), as well as the newly evolved submission sports. It also offers a gamut of sports such as swimming, basketball and tennis, aside from the gym workout. For that one-day festival, the YMCA opened its doors to welcome visitors. Demos were conducted, and visitors allowed to attend the classes for free, after which they each received a free bottle of Gatorade. According to Dr. Eve Almazan, a director and treasurer of the Makati YMCA, on that day alone, the YMCA clocked up about P28,000 in membership fees. Not bad for a fitness center that charges a lifetime individual membership fee of P4,025, and thereafter, P400 every year, while monthly dues amount to P420. The annual individual membership fee, meanwhile, is P1,280, and thereafter P400 every year, and the monthly dues are P475. Members in both categories get to use the swimming pool and gym for free, and pay a discount on other offerings. Associate memberships, on the other hand, are those who opt to enroll only in specific offerings such as aikido, fees for which are P475 for 12 sessions a month. However, they have to pay per use of the pool, and the gym, and all other facilities. Still a good deal, don't you think? In the future, the Wellness Festival could be a regular quarterly event, and much bigger, according to Almazan, who intends to present the idea to the YMCA's board of directors. The center aims to lure the middle and lower middle class into its fold, particularly residents in the periphery of Makati's commercial business district--San Antonio, Vito Cruz, Kamagong, etc. The idea is to entice the nearby villagers to walk or take a short ride to the YMCA. In fact, that is the tenet by which all YMCAs of the world live by--it caters to the middle of below middle class market. And rather than allow today's indigent youth get into drugs or chronic drinking, and so easily slip into a life of crime or unproductivity. By the strength of railroad men The YMCA has its humble origins among railroad men in 1872 in Cleveland, Ohio, where an employee was discharged for drunkenness but eventually reformed and entered a life of active Christian service. He invited a minister to preach to railroad people in the waiting room of the station, which the officers of the companies controlling placed at his disposal. Crowds of people attended, the men were revived spiritually, and as a result, the first branch of the Young Men's Christian Association composed of railroad men was formed. Over that period, the movement spread in different railroad centers, the owners of which built reading and lounging rooms, libraries, evening classes, lectures, baths, rest rooms and dormitories, and later restaurants. Today, the mission of the YMCA has grown and so has its network and spirit that even women are welcome. But also precisely because of the low fees, members cannot expect first-rate equipment and facilities. None of the martial areas are not air-conditioned. The gym uses the nonelectronic equipment. "Old reliables," nonetheless, as Almazan points out. The sauna is the natural heat and humidity in the air, but the sweat the member gets from that is truly cleansing. And just so you know, the Village People--who performed the song monster hit YMCA--don't make regular appearance here. But these facilities have served the likes of Richard Gomez, Carlos Agassi and other stars well when they were mere unknowns or just starting on their road to stardom. After marketing efforts were boosted since last September, the regular membership has skyrocket by 66 percent, Almazan said. Almazan, who has a Ph.D. is psychology, has been tasked by the YMCA Makati's executive committee to take over the center's marketing, operations and administrative offices. She mines from her 25 years as a school principal and a human resources head of bank, Almazan is seeking to improve services and offering of the Makati YMCA to sustain the existing membership and attract more. New life Among its efforts is the quarterly staff training which aims to form values, boost a sense of excellence in service, and encourage multitasking. The center has also begun renovating the facilities to give luster to YMCA's dimming star. The pool area has been restored to ensure the safety and enjoyment of the swimmers, while the chlorinating machine has been given a tune-up. The entire electrical system of the center has been rewired, while the security system is also being spruced up to ascertain that no theft or violence transpires within the premises, and members can exercise in peace. Last year the aikido dojo was fitted with new mats, exhaust fans, flooring, benches and electrical system; while the covered basketball and tennis court was completed. It may take some time to reinvigorate the Makati YMCA. But even with that, it makes sure that it's continuing its legacy of the railroad men. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest