Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 03:04:02 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 12 #165 - 4 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2200 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Training in Sydney, Australia (Gilmour, Julian) 2. Re: Training in Sydney, Australia (iPat) 3. Good manners part 5 (Marc Denny) 4. Funny (Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 11:12:14 +0100 From: "Gilmour, Julian" To: Subject: [Eskrima] Training in Sydney, Australia Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi all A couple from my gym are relocating to Sydney, Australia and wish to continue training. What we're used to is Inosanto Kali and JKD, but I imagine they are flexible. Any suggestions greatfully received. Peace to all on the list Julian This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This email message has been scanned for Viruses and Content and cleared by MailMarshal The recipient of this email should ensure that it is virus free. We do not accept any liability for any virus that may be conveyed with this email --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 14:48:54 +0100 From: iPat To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Training in Sydney, Australia Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://inosanto.com/wrapper.php?file=instructorlist.php On 5/3/05, Gilmour, Julian wrote: > Hi all > > A couple from my gym are relocating to Sydney, Australia and wish to > continue training. What we're used to is Inosanto Kali and JKD, but I > imagine they are flexible. Any suggestions greatfully received. > > Peace to all on the list > > Julian > -- iPat live for today, live for tomorrow "Truth is a pathless land. Man cannot come to it through any organisation, through any creed, through any dogma, priest or ritual, nor through any philosophic knowledge or psychological technique. He has to find it through the mirror of relationship, through the understanding of the contents of his own mind, through observation and not through intellectual analysis or introspective dissection..." --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Marc Denny" To: Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 12:41:29 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Good manners part 5 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Woof All Pat responded to my Part 3 > by the reference to an increase in the attacks on tourists, its > obvious that the crime is simply being displaced. Now while it may not > register on people being shot, where is the crime being displaced to > as i dare say the demand is still there to satisfy drug habits and the > other motivations for terrorising people into handing over their > property. If the argument is that the displacement is as large as the decline previously enumerated, then my response is that this simply is not the case. > For me (dare i even suggest others) to be impressed with the argument > that arming people works as well as playing devils advocate, until the > people perpetuating this claim can prove where the displacement is > showing up only leaves a shallow argument, not worthy of the intellect > clearly abundant here on this list. > : ) I'm sure there must be a coherent sentence worthy of Pat's intellect in there somewhere, and when it appears I will be glad to respond to it. :-) > in the UK, after years of finding your car stereo missing amongst the > broken window glass, the car manufacturers made great improvements in > the design and security of the said item. Since this is no longer an > easy way for someone to generate the quick funds for bag of scag, we > have seen a dramatic rise - at least in my city - of handbags being > snatched from women and youngsters held up for mobile phones, mp3 > players and bikes. Guess you better start unlocking your car in order to protect the women and youngsters then , , , > now to me it would seem that while treating the symptoms, we should > also deal with the cause. Fine by me, but until nirvana arrives, I'd rather have the capability to effectively defend myself as an option. >For the drug trade, in the war on terror for > example we have seen the Northern Alliance in Afghanistan restored and > the poppy fields blossom. A fair question would be to ask if the > people who are profiting off selling the military armour might be the > same people who are also profiting from the increase in sales of > civilian weaponry. Perhaps to those people, the war on drugs doesn't > make good business sense? I think the War on Drugs is a great foolishness and one with tremendous costs in personal liberty (including the concept of privacy), police corruption, and more. That said, the idea the military armourers are behind it all in order to increase civilian gun sales is , , , "not worth of the intellect clearly abundant here on this list." > Where i live, the crime is a result of poverty or drugs. I agree with > empowering people to be able to defend themselves but i also think we > need to deal with the root of the issue otherwise we bring up our > children in a far less secure society. Well, we can drift pretty far afield here so I will be brief in my rejoinder: 1) Poverty: I have spent considerable time in the interior of Mexico where poverty is on a whole other level-- yet crime is low. Why is this? 2) Drugs: Rush Limbaugh seems to have functioned OK , , , ;-) A bit more seriously, we are in agreement on the foolishness of the War on Drugs. 3) I would add that the breakdown of family structures has quite a bit to do with it. IMHO the nanny state in many ways seeks to marginalize the role of fathers and the cultural memes in which the understanding of manhood is transmitted to boys, and more. 4) IMHO the nanny state seeks to castrate the role of Men as protectors, leaving fatherless punk adolescents emboldened to act in ways that they would not dream of doing in a society of sound families wherein they ran the risk of getting put in their place when they got out of line. Ray wrote: >> by the reference to an increase in the attacks on tourists, its >> obvious that the crime is simply being displaced. > , , , > > The slight increase in attacks on tourists in rental cars, as the data did > seem to show for a short time, was a temporary blip. One that was not > seen > for very long, if ever. Exactly so. > Back to FMA.?. I would think the philosophy of self-defense relevant but you da boss. Anyone so inclined may take this up on our forum at www.dogbrothers.com Woof, Crafty Dog --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 18:49:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Eskrima] Funny Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://www.dogjudo.co.uk/ Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest