Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 18:37:14 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 12 #172 - 9 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2200 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Sport Silat.... (George Mason) 2. Reasonable Use of Force Trainer Certification (Ray) 3. Introduction (Omar Hakim) 4. PT Gun Seguidas (Omar Hakim) 5. Re: Introduction (abreton@juno.com) 6. Latigo (Deveyra, Tito A.) 7. Re: Latigo (jay de leon) 8. Re: Introduction (Ray) 9. Re: Introduction (WEE Shin Hoe) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 22:53:02 -0600 (GMT-06:00) From: George Mason To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Sport Silat.... Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hey, I have made a lot of money playing the "Chicken Dance Song seeing as I am a professional musician. LOL Geo the Bear ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Ray To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 05:44:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Eskrima] Reasonable Use of Force Trainer Certification Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Forwarding... Enforcement, Corrections, Military and Security Trainers to join us July 18-23, 2005 for the 24th Annual National Law Enforcement Training Center Reasonable Use of Force Certification Seminar. The seminar is sponsored by the Kansas City, Missouri, Police Department - James D. Corwin, Chief of Police. These trainer development courses are designed to improve instructional and physical skills and understanding of legal and medical implications in control and defensive tactics. 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This training meets Missouri P.O.S.T. approved continuing education requirements and is P.O.S.T. approved through the Kansas City, Missouri Police Department Regional Training Academy. We invite your trainers to become certified to teach your officers how to control subjects safely and effectively with proven life-saving dynamic techniques. For more information, call, e-mail or visit our website. We look forward to seeing you in July. Sincerely, Jim Lindell, President National Law Enforcement Training Center email: nletc@kc.rr.com voice: 1-800-445-0857 or (816) 531-2447 web: http://www.nletc.com National Law Enforcement Training Center 4948 Westwood Road Kansas City, MO 64112 --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 10:52:54 -0500 From: Omar Hakim To: Subject: [Eskrima] Introduction Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Greetings! Iım new to this mailing list, and I thought it would be polite to introduce myself before I began making postings or comments. My name is Omar Hakim. Iıve been involved in the FMA since 1987. Hereıs a brief bio: 1987-1990: Private instruction in Pekiti-Tirsia Kali with GT Leo Gaje in Albuquerque, NM. Became a Guro of PTK in 1988. 1988-1989: Trained in Laban Tulisan with Guro Ner Reodica. 1988-1998: Trained with Guro Dan Inosanto. Became an Apprentice Instructor under Guro Dan in 1992. 1990-1999: Trained with Tuhon Bill McGrath in PTK. 1991-1998: Trained with Pak Herman Suwanda in Pencak Silat Mande Muda. Became a Candidate Instructor in 1998. Iıve also traveled to Bandung Indonesia with Pak Herman in 1994 and to the Philippines with GT Gaje in 1998. I moved to Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia and lived there from 2000-2002 so that I could study Malaysian Silat (Silat Melayu). I returned to Malaysia earlier this year for an additional 9 weeks of training. I now have the following Silat Melayu teaching credentials: Silat Kuntau Tekpi http://www.tekpi.org Silat Kalimah (Yahya Said) Senaman Tua (conditioning system) of Silat Melayu Lok Sembilan Iım looking forward to getting caught up with old friends and making new ones! Regards, Omar Hakim --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 12:07:01 -0500 From: Omar Hakim To: "eskrima@martialartsresource.net" Subject: [Eskrima] PT Gun Seguidas Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi, I saw some earlier posting on the Pekiti-Tirsia gun seguidas. I first learned these seguidas from GT Gaje between 1988 and 1990 in Albuquerque NM and in Nashville TN (where GT Gaje lived for several months before returning to the Philippines in 1990). The PT-GS are organized into 3 sets of 12 ­ a familiar structure to anyone who has studied PTK. The PT-GS are a ³three gun² system, meaning that the basics can be applied to pistols (semiautomatic and revolvers), rifles and shotguns. The forms teach the student how to accommodate the manipulation nuances of each weapon system. In addition to the 36 basics taught in the forms, the PT-GS also teach a unique system for drawing and retaining a weapon. Unfortunately, while I was training with Tuhon Gaje on this PT-GS system, we were able to get to a gun range for live fire training only a few times. Most of our training was on a mat or in a field with empty weapons. GT Gaje showed me the basics of marksmanship, loading, reloading and clearing weapon malfunctions, but my training in this area from him was rudimentary. To correct this training deficiency, I looked for someone to teach me these missing elements. I did my research and selected Clint Smith of Thunder Ranch (in Kerrville TX at the time - http://www.thunderranchinc.com ). I went to Thunder Ranch nine times for a total of nine weeks of firearms training, including Handgun 1 (twice), Handgun 2, Handgun 2 Low Light, Handgun 3, HIT (High Intensity Tactics), Team Tactics, Urban Rifle 1 and Urban Rifle 2. As a result of my "trigger time" at Thunder Ranch, I was able to understand subtle elements of the PT-GS that were already there but not emphasized. I began to teach the PT-GS in the mid-90s, mostly at Tuhon Bill McGrath's summer camps, but I have never taught the complete system as I learned it. To my knowledge, I'm the only student of GT Gaje that has completed the entire PT-GS system (but I need to ask him if that's still true). The whole system could be taught in seminar format in three days (without the live fire component). In fact, an ideal training approach would be to partner with a training facility and teach two days of live fire training (basic marksmanship, trigger and sight control, loading, empty reloads, tactical reloads, clearing weapon malfunctions, etc.) and then do three days of PT-GS with empty or dummy weapons. I'm going to ask GT Gaje for his permission to begin teaching this system in a formal way, including the creation of a DVD that supports the training syllabus. I'll keep you all posted. Regards, Omar Hakim --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "abreton@juno.com" Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 18:13:30 GMT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Introduction Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Omar, Long time, no see. It's Andy, formerly with the Dallas Pekiti group (living in Honolulu now). It's great to hear from you. Let me know where you are and what you are up to nowadays. For those on the list who aren't familiar, Omar has a wealth of knowledge and is sort of an ambassador of FMA. When you ask how they found out about FMA, I can't tell you how many Pekiti guys (at least in the SW/Texas area) reply "Well, I was in karate/kempo/tae kwon do [fill in your art here] and I met this guy Omar and we started talking ..." Good to hear from you, Andy -- Omar Hakim wrote: Greetings! Iım new to this mailing list, and I thought it would be polite to introduce myself before I began making postings or comments. My name is Omar Hakim. Iıve been involved in the FMA since 1987. Hereıs a brief bio: 1987-1990: Private instruction in Pekiti-Tirsia Kali with GT Leo Gaje in Albuquerque, NM. Became a Guro of PTK in 1988. 1988-1989: Trained in Laban Tulisan with Guro Ner Reodica. 1988-1998: Trained with Guro Dan Inosanto. Became an Apprentice Instructor under Guro Dan in 1992. 1990-1999: Trained with Tuhon Bill McGrath in PTK. 1991-1998: Trained with Pak Herman Suwanda in Pencak Silat Mande Muda. Became a Candidate Instructor in 1998. Iıve also traveled to Bandung Indonesia with Pak Herman in 1994 and to the Philippines with GT Gaje in 1998. I moved to Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia and lived there from 2000-2002 so that I could study Malaysian Silat (Silat Melayu). I returned to Malaysia earlier this year for an additional 9 weeks of training. I now have the following Silat Melayu teaching credentials: Silat Kuntau Tekpi http://www.tekpi.org Silat Kalimah (Yahya Said) Senaman Tua (conditioning system) of Silat Melayu Lok Sembilan Iım looking forward to getting caught up with old friends and making new ones! Regards, Omar Hakim _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 11:49:49 -0700 From: "Deveyra, Tito A." To: Subject: [Eskrima] Latigo Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net "whips have small pieces of glass embedded in the knots to make it an extremely dangerous martial arts weapon...." This is not uncommon in the Philippines. Another common practice in the Philippines is to not only use crushed glass (or what we call bubog) on the knot but on the tips and rope, as well. They even sometimes place this in several spots of the latigo and handle. This way if for some reason you got inside the tip distance that latigo will still cut you like a blade. I remember growing up and having traditional kite fights or battles. This involves making your own kits out of bamboo and thin paper. The object is to tangle your line on someone else's and "cut" his kite free. Sometimes you battle kites from neighboring communities far away. The trick is to use bubog (crushed glass) on your kite string. I prefered using something as thick as butcher's twine. You first dampen the string with gawgaw (paste) and then rub the broken, pulverized glass onto it. One thing I learned was to wear gloves or wrap your hand with a handkerchief. Btw, you can also use the same paste mixture and add nails to it to form a ball with nails. No it ain't for art class. You can wrap it with your handkerchief or simply throw it. The paste is strong enough to hold the nails. But it is brittle enough to break on impact sending shrapnel to the eye and embedding it in the skin. It's a neat party trick. Tito de Veyra --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 12:43:41 -0700 (PDT) From: jay de leon Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Latigo To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Great post which brings back fond memories. Gawgaw is starch which starts out in powder form. You add water and boil it, and the result is like a paste with consistency similar to a hair gel. Normally you would use it to starch clothes, but as Tito described, it has its other uses. Re neat party tricks, this is one reason why street fights and ambushes even between kids were so dangerous in the Philippines. Filipino thugs are masters of improvised weapons. In addition to Tito's nail projectile, you had to watch out for steel darts launched from slingshots, hand thrown projectiles (homemade but deadly versions of shurikens), not to mention the ever-reliable ice-picks, improvised ice-picks including razor-sharp screwdrivers and many other nasty, improvised, disposable bladed weapons. Jay de Leon "Deveyra, Tito A." wrote: trick is to use bubog (crushed glass) on your kite string. I prefered using something as thick as butcher's twine. You first dampen the string with gawgaw (paste) and then rub the broken, pulverized glass onto it. One thing I learned was to wear gloves or wrap your hand with a handkerchief. Btw, you can also use the same paste mixture and add nails to it to form a ball with nails. No it ain't for art class. You can wrap it with your handkerchief or simply throw it. The paste is strong enough to hold the nails. But it is brittle enough to break on impact sending shrapnel to the eye and embedding it in the skin. It's a neat party trick. Tito de Veyra _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Introduction To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 15:03:11 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Omar, welcome to the list. > 1987-1990: Private instruction in Pekiti-Tirsia Kali with GT Leo Gaje in > Albuquerque, NM. Became a Guro of PTK in 1988. Don't take this question wrong, I'm just curious. Is this a typo or was/is possible to become a P-T Guro in just one year? Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 22:17:14 +0800 From: WEE Shin Hoe To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Introduction Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Omar, Welcome to the list. Heard of your name very often from friends in Kuala Lumpur but never got the chance to meet you personally. Are you still in Malaysia? Regards, S. H. Wee Sarawak, Malaysia Omar Hakim wrote: >Greetings! > >Iım new to this mailing list, and I thought it would be polite to introduce >myself before I began making postings or comments. > >My name is Omar Hakim. Iıve been involved in the FMA since 1987. Hereıs a >brief bio: > >1987-1990: Private instruction in Pekiti-Tirsia Kali with GT Leo Gaje in >Albuquerque, NM. Became a Guro of PTK in 1988. >1988-1989: Trained in Laban Tulisan with Guro Ner Reodica. >1988-1998: Trained with Guro Dan Inosanto. Became an Apprentice Instructor >under Guro Dan in 1992. >1990-1999: Trained with Tuhon Bill McGrath in PTK. >1991-1998: Trained with Pak Herman Suwanda in Pencak Silat Mande Muda. >Became a Candidate Instructor in 1998. > >Iıve also traveled to Bandung Indonesia with Pak Herman in 1994 and to the >Philippines with GT Gaje in 1998. > >I moved to Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia and lived there from 2000-2002 so that I >could study Malaysian Silat (Silat Melayu). I returned to Malaysia earlier >this year for an additional 9 weeks of training. > >I now have the following Silat Melayu teaching credentials: > >Silat Kuntau Tekpi http://www.tekpi.org >Silat Kalimah (Yahya Said) >Senaman Tua (conditioning system) of Silat Melayu Lok Sembilan > >Iım looking forward to getting caught up with old friends and making new >ones! > >Regards, >Omar Hakim >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. 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