Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 03:04:03 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 12 #173 - 6 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2200 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: PT Gun Seguidas (Ray) 2. Re: Full contact Silat? (Felipe Jocano) 3. Re: PTK Instruction (kenbocan@dsuper.net) 4. Re: Re: PTK Instruction (Ray) 5. Montreal seminar, Diony Canete, May 28-29 (James McGowan) 6. http://www.hideawayknife.com (Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Ray Subject: Re: [Eskrima] PT Gun Seguidas To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 20:38:59 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > To correct this training deficiency, I looked for someone to teach me these > missing elements. I did my research and selected Clint Smith of Thunder > Ranch (in Kerrville TX at the time - http://www.thunderranchinc.com ). I > went to Thunder Ranch nine times for a total of nine weeks of firearms > training, including Handgun 1 (twice), Handgun 2, Handgun 2 Low Light, > Handgun 3, HIT (High Intensity Tactics), Team Tactics, Urban Rifle 1 and > Urban Rifle 2. Clint's Urban Rife classes are very well respected courses. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 20:46:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Felipe Jocano Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Full contact Silat? To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi, >From another angle - I watched a silat tournament a few years ago. I found the same thing :-) strut, pose, clash, disengage, strut, etc. Here comes the kicker :-) I found out later that the reason the early tournaments looked the way they did was that there were few players who could fight in a sport venue using distinctively silat movements as such. I was told that the early players had karate and TKD backgrounds so their fights looked more like karate/TKD fights. Except for the posturing in between, you would not would not have distinguished the fights from a karate or TKD tournament (except for the floor sweeps). A few years later, I saw a video of one of the SEA Games silat competitions, both seni (form) and tanding (fighting). The fighting was very different from what I had seen before. One fighter stood out in particular - his movements were reminiscent of monkey and he was really agile, dodging in and out. The fighting looked less like karate/TKD and more like what silat would be like in a competition venue. The posturing took less time in between and the movements were a lot smoother. Guess the chickens evolved :-) BTW, the fighting can be rough. Breaks and dislocations have been known to happen. See what happens when the chickens go at it :-) Bot --- Ray wrote: > > But I must admit now I am curious as to what Ray > construes as strutting. > > In this case, a chicken strut. aka a chicken walk. > > Circle each other in the chicken walk. Stopping > every so often to assume > a silat posture, then clash in a very typical point > tournament fashion. > > Disengage, chicken walk, strike a pose, clash, score > a point, etc etc. > > > You learn something new everyday, right? > > Hopefully. > > Ray Terry > rterry@idiom.com > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 00:26:12 -0400 (EDT) From: kenbocan@dsuper.net To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: PTK Instruction Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Refering to Ray's inquiry of the possibilty of becoming a PTK instructor is a short period of time, I would say it depends upon who is doing the trying. Omar Hakim is a highly motivated and very intelligent student . In Tuhon Gaje's hands a highly motivated individual could learn a whole lot. An intelligent one a lot in a short period of time. Speaking from personal experience I can confidently state that Omar knows his material very well. I was in attendance at a PTI camp where he presented this material. It was very interesting. I remember that Tuhan Ben Largusa said in an article a few years back that he had learned the whole Villabraille Kali system in less than 6 years. I guess he was motivated too. Mandala Tuhon Philip Gelinas, Pekiti Tirsia Kali --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: PTK Instruction To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 06:09:10 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Refering to Ray's inquiry of the possibilty of becoming a PTK instructor > is a short period of time, I would say it depends upon who is doing the > trying. Thanks for the info. I was just asking. The style I'm familiar with it takes someone/everyone more like ten dedicated years to reach Guro level. So it just came as a bit of a surprise. Not saying one way is better or another, just different. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "James McGowan" To: Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 20:44:29 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] Montreal seminar, Diony Canete, May 28-29 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Just to let folks know... 1st time in Montreal! DOCE PARES MULTI-STYLE SYSTEM SEMINAR Filipino Martial Arts Kali-Eskrima-Arnis-Pangamot-Dumog-Eskrido with Grandmaster Dionisio "Diony" Canete & Master Percival Pableo GRANDMASTER CANETE -Over fifty years experience -12th grade black belt -head of Doce Pares International -founder of World Eskrima Kali Arnis Federation (WEKAF) MASTER PABLEO -Thirty years experience -8th grade black belt -4 time world stickfighting champion -Chief instructor of the Doce Pares International headquarters in Cebu City, Philippines SEMINAR TOPICS: Doble Olisi (Double Stick) Single Olisi (Single Stick) Espada y Daga (Sword & Knife) Mano y Mano (Empty hand) Dumog (Grappling) Baraw (Knife) DATE: Saturday & Sunday May 28-29 9:30am - 5pm LOCATION: Academie D'Arts Martiaux Culturelle Gelinas 1121 St. Catherine West, #201 Montreal (Peel Metro) Tel: 514-281-9928 COST: Advance - $160 (2 days), $100 (1 day) Door - $180 (2 days), $120 (1 day) INFO: Tel: 514-239-5616 Email: docepares2005@yahoo.ca Website: http://www.doceparesinternational.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 19:47:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Eskrima] http://www.hideawayknife.com Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Has anyone here use one of these? Seems like it might be an interesting choice, esp for an off-hand/off-side knife. http://www.hideawayknife.com Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest