Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 03:03:29 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 12 #175 - 8 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2200 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Introduction (Omar Hakim) 2. FMA Seminar in Los Angeles (Ed Peregrino) 3. Dekiti Tirsia Siradas Demonstration (Genfil Villahermosa) 4. Re: Full contact Silat (Jonathan Broster) 5. San Francisco Bay Area - multiple weapons sparring night (gints@worldnet.att.net) 6. PTK gun seguidas (Leslie L. Buck Jr. TKA) 7. Re: PTK gun seguidas (Ray) 8. Re: PTK gun seguidas (Leo Daher) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 21:12:36 -0500 Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Introduction From: Omar Hakim To: Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Shin Hoe, Thanks for your email. I left Malaysia and returned to the US in late February 2005 as soon as I finished my Silat training. There is a Pekiti-Tirsia group now formed in Kuala Lumpur. Please send me a direct email if you'd like help getting in touch with them. Take care. Regards, Omar Hakim > From: WEE Shin Hoe > Reply-To: > Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 22:17:14 +0800 > To: > Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Introduction > > Hi Omar, > > Welcome to the list. Heard of your name very often from friends in Kuala > Lumpur but never got the chance to meet you personally. > Are you still in Malaysia? > > Regards, > S. H. Wee > Sarawak, Malaysia > > Omar Hakim wrote: > >> Greetings! >> >> Iım new to this mailing list, and I thought it would be polite to introduce >> myself before I began making postings or comments. >> >> My name is Omar Hakim. Iıve been involved in the FMA since 1987. Hereıs a >> brief bio: >> >> 1987-1990: Private instruction in Pekiti-Tirsia Kali with GT Leo Gaje in >> Albuquerque, NM. Became a Guro of PTK in 1988. >> 1988-1989: Trained in Laban Tulisan with Guro Ner Reodica. >> 1988-1998: Trained with Guro Dan Inosanto. Became an Apprentice Instructor >> under Guro Dan in 1992. >> 1990-1999: Trained with Tuhon Bill McGrath in PTK. >> 1991-1998: Trained with Pak Herman Suwanda in Pencak Silat Mande Muda. >> Became a Candidate Instructor in 1998. >> >> Iıve also traveled to Bandung Indonesia with Pak Herman in 1994 and to the >> Philippines with GT Gaje in 1998. >> >> I moved to Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia and lived there from 2000-2002 so that I >> could study Malaysian Silat (Silat Melayu). I returned to Malaysia earlier >> this year for an additional 9 weeks of training. >> >> I now have the following Silat Melayu teaching credentials: >> >> Silat Kuntau Tekpi http://www.tekpi.org >> Silat Kalimah (Yahya Said) >> Senaman Tua (conditioning system) of Silat Melayu Lok Sembilan >> >> Iım looking forward to getting caught up with old friends and making new >> ones! >> >> Regards, >> Omar Hakim >> _______________________________________________ >> Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members >> Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >> Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >> Standard disclaimers apply >> http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Ed Peregrino" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 22:59:47 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] FMA Seminar in Los Angeles Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello all, Just wanted to let you guys know.  PG Hufana and the World FMA Association is hosting a seminar at GM Conrad Manaois' school in Huntington Park this weekend.  It will be on Sat and Sun.  This seminar is to promote the FM and the expo and laban laro in Anaheim this August.  For more details, you can go to www.WorldFMA.com. Salamat po, Ed Peregrino   --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 01:46:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Genfil Villahermosa To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Cc: Jerson Tortal Subject: [Eskrima] Dekiti Tirsia Siradas Demonstration Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Grandmaster Jerson ¨Nene" Tortal and Master Jerson Tortal Jr. will be holding an exciting demonstration of Dekiti Tirsia Siradas Kali at the Olympians Taekwondo Training Center on May 27 2005. The Olympians Taekwondo Training Center is located at Lower Ground Fl. Bldg. A Karrivin Plaza 2316 Pasong Tamo Extension Makati City Manila, Philippines For more information call Monsour del Rosario at Tel ++63-2-728-5133, +63-2-812-6328 or visit their website at www.monsourdelrosario.com Genfil Q. Villahermosa Webmaster / DTS Guro Please visit the Dekiti Tirsia Siradas Website http://www.dekititirsiasiradas.org Click to join dekiti-tirsia-siradas __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 12:33:25 +0100 From: "Jonathan Broster" To: Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Full contact Silat Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi This reminded me of some full contact KuoShu matches I saw a while ago. Most of the fighters looked like bad karate players. The BaGua guys were the soame as all the rest, only they walked in circles before they started the karate style stuff. Then came a shaui Ciao (sp?) player who destroyed all before him, very impressive, and he looked like he was doing his style, not just some homogenised grappling form. Jon "There's nothing more dangerous than a blunt knife!" http://www.pecahan.net > >>From another angle - I watched a silat tournament a >few years ago. I found the same thing :-) strut, pose, >clash, disengage, strut, etc. >Here comes the kicker :-) I found out later that the >reason the early tournaments looked the way they did >was that there were few players who could fight in a >sport venue using distinctively silat movements as >such. I was told that the early players had karate and >TKD backgrounds so their fights looked more like >karate/TKD fights. Except for the posturing in >between, you would not would not have distinguished >the fights from a karate or TKD tournament (except for >the floor sweeps). >A few years later, I saw a video of one of the SEA >Games silat competitions, both seni (form) and tanding >(fighting). The fighting was very different from what >I had seen before. One fighter stood out in particular >- his movements were reminiscent of monkey and he was >really agile, dodging in and out. The fighting looked >less like karate/TKD and more like what silat would be >like in a competition venue. The posturing took less >time in between and the movements were a lot smoother. ... --__--__-- Message: 5 From: gints@att.net (gints@worldnet.att.net) To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 12:33:43 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] San Francisco Bay Area - multiple weapons sparring night Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi, Here are some pictures from last Tuesday's weapons sparring night. If any of you are in the San Francisco Bay Area and would like to try this, please send me an email. We generally do rattan stick and training knife fighting, but as you can see, there is plenty of variety, including some padded sticks. Weapons featured here are sticks, jackets, sunshades, chairs, fists, aluminum training knives (dull, of course), Irish Spring soap in a towel, raquetball racket, rubber hose, and more. http://home.att.net/~gints/GFC_Select.htm Comments welcome, Gints http://home.att.net/~gints/home.htm --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Leslie L. Buck Jr. TKA" To: Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 16:51:40 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] PTK gun seguidas Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net In regards to the Pekiti Tirsia gun seguidas: My name is Leslie Buck, Jr. I am also new to the digest, but I am excited to see several interesting topics. Actually, I am also an instructor of Pekiti Tirsia and a good friend of Omar Hakim as well. I too have had the opportunity to learn gun tactics from Tuhon Gaje, yet I'm not sure whether I have learned the "complete" set or only a little. Tuhon and I have spent a lot of time together in Marine bases, police academies, backyards and coffee shops. It seems whenever we have time on our hands, we end up playing around with whatever weapons are at hand. One of my first occasions to learn firearms tactics from Tuhon Gaje was while on a weekend trip to Mindoro with some friends. At the time, I was carrying a 45 that belongs to a friend of mine in the Philippine Marine Corps. Mindoro has a lot of NPA, so it is nice to have a little more "knocking power" than my knives. Well, to make a long story short, Tuhon and I took a nap one afternoon at my friends home. When we woke up, everyone in the house was out. Tuhon asks to see the gun. We unload it and spent the afternoon rolling on the ground, drawing the gun, dry firing and moving through a variety of transitions and postures with the gun. Although, I've developed shooting skills, train retention and disarm tactics, Tuhon's techniques and flows were indeed exciting and innovative. Since this time, I have occasionally learned different firearms tactics from Tuhon Gaje. Some seemed well planned whereas others more experimental. Some were for evasive movement alone whereas others involved retention, disarming, and sheilding with a prisoner. Many relate to our dumog, knife and other weapons skills and some were specific to firearms and rifles. I'm not sure which are a part of the formal sets. My training in Pekiti Tirsia from my original instructor Mataas Na Guro Erwin Ballarta, as well as that from Tuhon Gaje has always been reactive in nature rather than by the numbers. I was never given by either instructor a list or sets of techniques or movements except abecedario (1-12). What this means is I feel a great sense of confidence with what I learned this way, but I am left to find the academic structure myself. I am curious what the categories of gun seguidas contain as a formal structure if only just to learn what I know and don't know. I look forward to any reference Omar or any of our other instructors may produce. best regards to all, Leslie Buck President Texas Kali Association www.TexasKali.org --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray Subject: Re: [Eskrima] PTK gun seguidas To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 17:22:50 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Although, I've developed shooting skills, train retention and disarm tactics, > Tuhon's techniques and flows were indeed exciting and innovative. Since this > time, I have occasionally learned different firearms tactics from Tuhon Gaje. > Some seemed well planned whereas others more experimental. Some were for > evasive movement alone whereas others involved retention, disarming, and > sheilding with a prisoner. Many relate to our dumog, knife and other weapons > skills and some were specific to firearms and rifles. I'm not sure which are > a part of the formal sets. My first exposure to this type of handgun 'expression' was from Jim Cirillo back in the late 1980s. I suspect Tuhon Bill is familiar with Jim's history. Jim is getting up in years now, I don't know if he is still teaching or not. He was a member of the infamous NYC Stakeout Team back in the 1970s. He has perhaps been in more shootouts with badguys than most anyone else around. It was through him that we learned to shoot on the ground, between your legs, on your back and aiming over your head, getting down and back up, etc. Things you wouldn't normally think of trying... until you find yourself in that position. I see a lot of this in the P-T gun seguidas. But they flow much much better. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Leo Daher" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] PTK gun seguidas Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 20:52:47 -0400 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Jim Cirillo is still active. I'm look forward to attending a seminar later this year where he should be one of the instructors. "Praise be that which toughens" - Nietzsche ----Original Message Follows---- From: Ray Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] PTK gun seguidas Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 17:22:50 -0700 (PDT) > Although, I've developed shooting skills, train retention and disarm tactics, > Tuhon's techniques and flows were indeed exciting and innovative. Since this > time, I have occasionally learned different firearms tactics from Tuhon Gaje. > Some seemed well planned whereas others more experimental. Some were for > evasive movement alone whereas others involved retention, disarming, and > sheilding with a prisoner. Many relate to our dumog, knife and other weapons > skills and some were specific to firearms and rifles. I'm not sure which are > a part of the formal sets. My first exposure to this type of handgun 'expression' was from Jim Cirillo back in the late 1980s. I suspect Tuhon Bill is familiar with Jim's history. Jim is getting up in years now, I don't know if he is still teaching or not. He was a member of the infamous NYC Stakeout Team back in the 1970s. He has perhaps been in more shootouts with badguys than most anyone else around. It was through him that we learned to shoot on the ground, between your legs, on your back and aiming over your head, getting down and back up, etc. Things you wouldn't normally think of trying... until you find yourself in that position. I see a lot of this in the P-T gun seguidas. But they flow much much better. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest