Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 03:04:02 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 12 #181 - 5 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2200 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: RE: On the nature of Pekiti-Tirsia (Steve Kohn) 2. Animal e-mail (Michael Koblic) 3. RE: Rey Galang's New Book Now Out!!! (Danny Anderson) 4. Re: Tangents (Beungood8@aol.com) 5. Re: custom browser for martial arts (Andrew Maddox) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 17:58:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Kohn Subject: Re: [Eskrima] RE: On the nature of Pekiti-Tirsia To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net These are great points. The cool thing about learning MAs from a conceptual rather than a technical perspective is that, while techniques are specific, concepts are universal...and can be applied to virtually any art. For example, as someone who teaches martial arts as well as music (specifically the guitar), the concept of economy of motion applies beautifully to the techniques of both arts. Another example would be "the flow"as taught in Escrima. The ability to react with fluid technique in combat is no different to me than improvising with another musician and having to appropriately respond to their musical ideas. The only obvious difference would be that it hurts far more to react incorrectly in combat than it does in music! Best, Steve Kohn William Schultz wrote: Excellent post Leslie. My experience training with Tuhon mirrors exactly what you describe. The principles and keys are shown to you, but it's up to you to study and put in the time to explore and discover the connections. Then build off of it. I believe having to put in the time & exploration leads to a greater understanding of the principles and mechanics behind the material. As Tuhon says, "It's not the years, it's the hours trained". >>>You will not be given the next step until you pick up on the first one. >>> This is contrary to the "technique accumulation" approach that many in the MA world are used to. It's not about learning technique 1A, 1B, 1C for level one. Technique 2A, 2B, 2C for level two etc... It's focused more on learning the principles of movement (footwork, striking mechanics & power generation), angles of attack & counter-offense and the ability to combine these aspects together in a fluid, powerful and effective manner across weapon categories. That's not to say that "techniques" are not taught, once you have the foundation system down, you work strategy and tactic methods. Each method prescribes a specific strategy, a combative plan or principle, and accompanying tactics, techniques or skills of execution. PT is a complete system where strategies and tactics, techniques and skills are encompassed into an integrated working composition. Each method addresses a specific strategy and then provides different tactics and techniques that simultaneously incorporate footwork, offensive and counter-offensive combative application and attribute development. Each of these components can be isolated and trained individually to perfect each particular movement. It's a dynamic approach & thought-provoking process of learning that stimulates thought and in depth study to a higher degree then rote memorization of techniques. I teach more in this method as well and it does tend to throw off new students who are used to other approach. I try to explain the reasoning behind it. Some get it and stay with it, some don't and move on. Tangents eh Jack? :-) William Schultz New England Pekiti-Tirsia Pitbulls Mongrel Combative Systems EG Rhode Island williamsmartialblog.blogspot.com _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Michael Koblic" To: "Eskrima digest" Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 18:16:40 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Animal e-mail Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net "Anyone who has a phone link with Marc might like to let him know that he needs to empty his mailbox! ; ) >Delivery to the following recipient has been delayed: marcmacyoung@eartlink.net Message will be retried for 2 more day(s)" Note: this is actually the wrong e-mail address. The correct address is "earthlink", not "eartlink". I did tell him...:-) Michael Koblic, Campbell River, B. C. --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Danny Anderson" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Rey Galang's New Book Now Out!!! Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 01:19:12 +0000 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi All, If you haven't got a copy, get one. Guro Rey has put a lot of work into this one and it is a very good successor to Edgar Sulite's book "Masters of Arnis, Kali & Eskrima." The whole book is quality from the content to the printing. Yours, Dan Anderson --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Beungood8@aol.com Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 21:28:18 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Tangents Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net In a message dated 5/17/2005 7:57:36 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net writes: It's a dynamic approach & thought-provoking process of learning that stimulates thought and in depth study to a higher degree then rote memorization of techniques. I teach more in this method as well and it does tend to throw off new students who are used to other approach. I try to explain the reasoning behind it. Some get it and stay with it, some don't and move on. Tangents eh Jack? :-) William Schultz New England Pekiti-Tirsia Pitbulls Upon looking at both methods, Id have to say I like the dynamic approach as compared to the minutae of rote learning in other arts ive trained in. This method of focusing on the principles of movement helped to unlock the confusion of memorizing number's of techniques and actually made sense out of some things that were passed onto me that maybe were not understood by that particular teacher. What seemed like chaos now reveals it's brillance... Jack O Student of New England Pekiti-Tirsia Pitbulls/Mongrel Combatives "Making sense out of confusion..." --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 21:48:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Maddox To: Eskrima Subject: Re: [Eskrima] custom browser for martial arts Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net On Tue, 17 May 2005, Ray wrote: >Folks, > >If all you want are FMA links, check out the many links at our website >(martialartsresource.com). Wow, Ray, you've been busy! The website is *greatly* expanded from the last time I checked it, and looking good, too. If you can get Chinese, Japanese, Indonesian, European and "Other" sections started with a similar level of detail, I think you'll have all the bases covered 8-) This is what I was talking about, though - the mega-list of lists kind of things. Kudos, Mister Terry! -- Andrew Maddox, madsox squiggle radix point net DC-area martial artist? Come join my new group at http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/martialarts_dc --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest