Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 16:54:04 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 12 #182 - 9 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2200 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Updates on Stevan Plinck's May 20-22 Serak seminar (Todd Ellner) 2. FW: RE: hello. (Ricky Guro) 3. Re: Full contact Silat? (Felipe Jocano) 4. Ron Balicki Seminar in NJ May 21/22 (Integrated Martial Arts & Fitness) 5. Re: RE: On the nature of Pekiti-Tirsia (Jonathan Kessler) 6. Re: Full contact Silat? (Sonny Padilla) 7. teaching methods (Larry St. Clair) 8. Re: Rey Galang's New Book Now Out!!! (BudMan6137@aol.com) 9. tasers (Michael Koblic) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 20:42:52 -0700 From: Todd Ellner To: Subject: [Eskrima] Updates on Stevan Plinck's May 20-22 Serak seminar Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net There is an updated schedule and better directions to the facility. Check http://www.pencaksilat.com/workshop.html --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Ricky Guro" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Cc: rmw-fcss@mozcom.com Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 05:25:30 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] FW: RE: hello. Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net brothers, we have an update from philippines on our fighters. we also have a request for help in the philippines from major roman wanasen and master napoleon. if anyone can send assistance please forward to address below or write to major roman wanasen at rmw-fcss@mozcom.com. thank you in advance! salamat po! Ricky Ganan Guro Jr. >From: "Roman Wanasen" >To: "'Ricky Guro'" >Subject: RE: hello. >Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 10:39:03 +0800 > >Brother Ricky, > >Yaw-Yan Ardigma is on the go, hopefully by 2007, we can restore again >the name of YawYan. Out of 40 candidates only 10 survives because of the >hard training that we gave to them. Hopefully no one will quit anymore. >This new fighter was design to compete at Thailand, Japan and other >tournaments. Master wanted to uplift again the name of YawYan before he >will be home with the Lord, that's why he made the "Ardigma" for >countering Muay Thai and grapplers. > >I made this letter to inform you the situation of the camp. Our daily >need is increasing and master health was not stable. If you have the >opportunity to send some assistance please you may do so. You can send >help in the address below. > >YAWYAN ARDIGMA MARTIAL ARTS FEDERATION >C/O ROMAN ROGER M WANASEN >P.O. BOX 2271-1162 >QCCPO, Quezon City >1100 Philippines > >I hope and pray you can come home this coming August Foundation day and >Birthday of Master. > >Hope to hear from you very soon. > >Your brother in Yaw-Yan, > >Roger > > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.859 / Virus Database: 585 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 > > > >--- >Call the US and Canada FOR FREE! Go to www.mozcom.com for details --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 01:02:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Felipe Jocano Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Full contact Silat? To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Geo, I was born and still live here in the Philippines. Haven't had a chance to go out to the US or to any other Western country for that matter :-) Bot --- George Mason wrote: > Hi Bot, > > > Great to hear back from you. I understand what you > mean about the full contact fighting. I did it for > a long time. Fortunately for my health, I did > pretty well. I fought in a lot of non-sanctioned > bouts and in some rough stuff. But these days I > just train for personal improvement. It was great > to hear your thoughts and experiences. > > So do you live in the Phillippines or in the states? > I have several friends from the Phillippines that > live here now. Just curious. > > > Geo the Bear > > > > > > > Discover Yahoo! Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/stayintouch.html --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Integrated Martial Arts & Fitness" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 11:27:40 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Ron Balicki Seminar in NJ May 21/22 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Integrated Martial Arts is hosting Ron Balicki for a 2 day seminar this weekend May 21 and 22nd. Covered will be Kali, JKD, Silat and Shooto . If anyone is interested please checkout our web site at www.imafit.com or call at (973) 422-1500. Thanks, Don Edwards --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 06:56:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Jonathan Kessler To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: RE: On the nature of Pekiti-Tirsia Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I dunno, Steve, sometimes a poor musical flow really hurts! JK > These are great points. The cool thing about > learning MAs from a conceptual rather than a > technical perspective is that, while techniques are > specific, concepts are universal...and can be > applied to virtually any art. For example, as > someone who teaches martial arts as well as music > (specifically the guitar), the concept of economy of > motion applies beautifully to the techniques of both > arts. Another example would be "the flow"as taught > in Escrima. The ability to react with fluid > technique in combat is no different to me than > improvising with another musician and having to > appropriately respond to their musical ideas. The > only obvious difference would be that it hurts far > more to react incorrectly in combat than it does in > music! > > Best, > Steve Kohn --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Sonny Padilla" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Full contact Silat? Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 09:12:17 -0600 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Bot, Will you be at the Gathering in Manila In October 15/16? I am looking forward to meet you. Tks. Sonny >From: Felipe Jocano >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Full contact Silat? >Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 01:02:09 -0700 (PDT) > >Hi Geo, > >I was born and still live here in the Philippines. >Haven't had a chance to go out to the US or to any >other Western country for that matter :-) > >Bot >--- George Mason wrote: > > > Hi Bot, > > > > > > Great to hear back from you. I understand what you > > mean about the full contact fighting. I did it for > > a long time. Fortunately for my health, I did > > pretty well. I fought in a lot of non-sanctioned > > bouts and in some rough stuff. But these days I > > just train for personal improvement. It was great > > to hear your thoughts and experiences. > > > > So do you live in the Phillippines or in the states? > > I have several friends from the Phillippines that > > live here now. Just curious. > > > > > > Geo the Bear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Discover Yahoo! >Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing and more. Check it out! >http://discover.yahoo.com/stayintouch.html >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Larry St. Clair" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 11:07:11 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] teaching methods Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hey Gang, I love this new topic. For myself I love both aspects of it. Sometimes I like learning the concept of several sections and then seeing all the vast areas that it opens up too. Other times I enjoy seeing step by step movements and actually discovering the concept for myself. Over the years I have found both to be 100% enjoyable and helpful in my growth of becoming a better individual. Here is an interesting spin off though... For my competitors, I find it better to give them more of a step by step system. This way they don't have to think or even understand the movements. They just have to go :) Now I'm not talking about experienced MAers either. Just guys that have had 8 weeks of swinging a stick or striking or grappling. We've been privileged enough between watching other competitions and going to many competitions ourselves to break things down into necessities for that big day. By following these steps it has taken these early students to the victory circle and they have won medals in all types of different venues. Now the funny thing is that as these students get further in the system that they are studying, they all the suddenly realize (light goes on) and you can see it. Like "oh, that is why we did it that way" or "oh, now this is similar to that and that is why". Now a little further in the training they have started to grasp the concept behind the movement. So ultimately I guess I'm wondering if a mixture of the two methods really helps us get better. Again taking it from a conceptual side for the over all growth of the individual so that they may find their own personal way and become strong leaders; but also a step by step success system to help them bring each element together. Whether it be combative or just artistic. Just some more thoughts to get everyone going. I have loved reading everyone's perspective on this topic because being an instructor all I want to do is be able to pass the arts on to my students in a better way every time. Thanks for the help everyone. Sincerely, Larry --__--__-- Message: 8 From: BudMan6137@aol.com Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 17:23:45 EDT Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Rey Galang's New Book Now Out!!! To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I just picked up a copy from GM Bobby Taboada(autographed of course) last night and yes, it is excellent!!!!! Kevin --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Michael Koblic" To: "Eskrima digest" Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 17:00:04 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] tasers Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I recall a recent thread on this, here is FYI: Tasers do not cause arrhythmias in healthy volunteers May 17, 2005 Shelley Wood San Diego, CA - Taser stun guns do not cause arrhythmias in healthy adults, at least when the high-voltage electricity delivered by the guns is only used for a few seconds, a new study suggests.[1] Dr Saul D Levine and colleagues (University of California, San Diego), who will be presenting the full results of their study next week at the Society of Academic Emergency Medicine 2005 Annual Meeting in New York, say their study is the first to demonstrate in humans that Tasers do not cause changes in cardiac morphology or rhythm or heart-rate intervals. Despite the reassuring new data, Dr Douglas Zipes (Krannert Institute of Cardiology, Indianapolis, IN), who commented on the study for heartwire, insists it does not go far enough to allay concerns about Taser shocks. "This is a reasonable study, but it certainly is inadequate in terms of trying to answer the question of whether Taser shocks are safe or not," Zipes states. In fact, the study's release coincided with yet another death secondary to the use of a Taser gun, in this case a 31-year-old Ohio man who died within one hour of being stunned with a Taser during a police incident. Last month, Amnesty International released new figures stating that there have been 103 Taser-related deaths in the US and Canada between June 2001 and March 2005. In for a shock Levine et al's studywhich received no funding from the manufacturer of the Taser X26used ECG monitoring before, during, and after the firing of the Taser in 49 volunteers (all police officers undergoing Taser training). Mean shock duration during the study was 2.3 seconds. ECG recordings show no change in morphology or in QTc, PR, or QRS intervals between the before-shock period and after, although heart rates increased from a mean of 118 before to 138 after. In an interview with heartwire, Levine emphasized that the study was conducted in police officers who received Taser shocks for a duration shorter than what is typically used by police in their work. In the field, mean Taser shock duration is closer to five seconds, Levine said. What's more, "study participants were healthy volunteers, whereas the physiology of people who receive Taser shocks in the field is really unknown. They may be people with psychoses, people with heart disease, people with drugs on board, and those really are the main questions that are going to be difficult to figure out." Levine also pointed out that ECG monitoring only lasted for 30 seconds, on average, and that longer monitoring would be necessary to understand delayed fatalities; many of the deaths reported following Taser shocks occurred an hour or more after the shock, he notes. The Ohio death this past weekend is a case in point. This is essentially something that is going to be impossible to study, namely subjects on cocaine getting shot by a Taser . . . no human IRB would approve that. The synergy between illicit drugs, underlying health, and Taser effects remains the big unknown, he adds. "A lot of the [Taser-associated] deaths reported today involve people on cocaine or amphetamines, and this is essentially something that is going to be impossible to study, namely subjects on cocaine getting shot by a Taser . . . no human IRB would approve that." He believes the high heart rates are perhaps the most interesting observations of the study: some of the volunteers reached heart rates of 190. "That raises eyebrows," Levine says. "It's got to be the adrenaline, but in conjunction with drugs, that kind of tachycardia plus a little bit of coronary disease might be all it takes." Persistent potential for risk To heartwire, Zipes reiterated many of the same points as Levine about the health, drug use, and underlying heart disease of people who get shot by Tasers in the real world. These people may often be older, with more myocardial ischemia, he added. Zipes also believes that some of the research into commotio cordisthe name given to sudden deaths secondary to a blunt blow to the chestmay also be relevant to Taser-shock deaths. "The ability of a Taser shock to cause ventricular fibrillation may be critically dependent on timing and when it is delivered in the cardiac cycle," he explained. "We know there is a vulnerable period near the T-wave of the electrocardiogram that may be only 30 msec long, and if the shock does not overlap that particular area, it may be benign, but if, just by happenstance, it is delivered during that time period, it may cause ventricular fibrillation." Zipes concludes that the research is "interesting" but it does not "alleviate the potential for risk." "I am not deprecating this study," Zipes says, "but it is in no way sufficient to establish safety." 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