Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 03:04:25 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 12 #197 - 4 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2200 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: martial arts and terrorism 3 (Marc Denny) 2. Re: DBMA Kali Tudo (tm) (Jojie, Leah, Kiahra & Kahyla) 3. more on that martial arts and terrorism story (Todd Ellner) 4. RE: more on that martial arts and terrorism story (Leo Daher) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Marc Denny" To: Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 13:37:24 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: martial arts and terrorism 3 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Woof All: "Punching and kicking just aren't strategically important in a world of car bombs and M-16s." Yes and no. As everyone on this list is well aware, martial arts is not just a matter of punching and kicking. MA, especially FMA and IndonesianMA can have a lot of knives and other weapons, both obvious and not obvious, that enable killing in close quarter circumstances-- especially those were we the unorganized militia are disarmed e.g. an airplane. Woof, Crafty Dog PS: Here's this: The FBI Sting and Two New Militant Suspects May 31, 2005 1735 GMT Following a two-year sting operation, the FBI has arrested two men it says were conspiring to join al Qaeda and provide material support to the jihadist network. Agents apprehended Tarik Ibn Osman Shah on May 27 in New York City and Florida doctor Rafiq Sabir a day later near Boca Raton, Fla. Shah and Sabir "allegedly agreed to provide training in martial arts and hand-to-hand combat to al Qaeda members and associates, while Sabir allegedly agreed to provide medial assistance to wounded jihadists in Saudi Arabia," according to a joint statement issued May 29 by the FBI and federal prosecutors. The FBI claims the men pledged allegiance to al Qaeda during a May 20 meeting in New York City with a person they believed was recruiting them into al Qaeda, but who actually was an undercover FBI agent. Information released about Shah allegedly reveals a connection to the so-called Virginia Jihad Network, an informal network centered around Falls Church, Va., that has been the common denominator in many arrests related to conspiracy to commit or support terrorist acts. According to federal prosecutors, Shah had the names and phone numbers of individuals who had attended terrorist training camps in the Middle East and Afghanistan. Among these names was Seifullah Chapman, a member of the Virginia Jihad Network who was convicted in Virginia in March 2004 for providing material support to a Pakistan-based terrorist group. Several people associated with the Virginia Jihad Network have been arrested on charges of conspiring to support terrorist groups, of participating in terrorist activities or of encouraging others to take part in militant activities against the United States. Among these are Masoud Khan, who was sentenced to life in prison in June 2004 under the Neutrality Act for conspiring to support terrorists; Ali al-Timimi, an Islamist ideologue convicted in April 2004 for urging his followers to travel to Afghanistan to resist the U.S.-led invasion; and Ahmed Omar Abu Ali, who was indicted in February for providing support to al Qaeda, including "material support and resources" in a plot to assassinate U.S. President George W. Bush. Like Shah and Sabir, all three are U.S. citizens who were living in the United States. If the FBI case against Shah and Sabir is upheld in court, it could reveal that the two lacked the operational skills required to successfully commit a terrorist act on U.S. soil, but that they could have been useful to al Qaeda in other ways -- such as providing valuable logistic and financial support for the planning and staging phases of a terrorist attack. Furthermore, as U.S. citizens already living in the country, they could have operated in the open without attracting undue attention. If the two are proven guilty, the case will demonstrate FBI improvements in surveillance and infiltration of jihadist cells in the United States -- and the bureau's ability to gain intelligence from the arrests. Although the meeting between the two and the undercover agent allegedly took place May 20, the men were not arrested until a full week later, after they had returned to their homes. By apprehending the two at their homes, federal agents gained access to potentially crucial evidence and intelligence, such as address books and computer files. This could lead to further action against alleged U.S.-based jihadists. These arrests also demonstrate FBI interest in the Virginia Jihad Network. FBI telephone taps or reviews of phone records allowed under the Foreign Surveillance Intelligence Act likely tipped off agents as to Shah and Sabir's alleged commitment to the jihadist cause -- and an undercover agent was assigned to perform the sting. Another more disturbing revelation coming from Shah's arrest is a possible connection between jihadists and Black Muslims in the United States. Shah is the son of "Lieutenant X," a former top aid of Malcolm X. If Shah and Sabir are found guilty of conspiring to support al Qaeda, it would prove there still are U.S. citizens in the United States who are willing to support and participate in terrorist groups. In any case, more arrests are likely to follow. --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 07:15:41 +1000 From: "Jojie, Leah, Kiahra & Kahyla" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] DBMA Kali Tudo (tm) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi, I am a practioner of Hapkido - not quite FMA. But I have been with this list for a long time (first time to write something on the list) and has great interest within the FMA (reason for not doing FMA? Would like to complete Hapkido first). Just a quick question. Will this be compatible with the Australian region? I don't have a multiple region DVD player. Kind regards Elvin Marc Denny wrote: > Woof all: > > We have a new clip up on our site at www.dogbrothers.com for our > soon-to-be-released double disc DVD > "Kali Tudo (tm)". --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 17:43:11 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) From: "Todd Ellner" To: Subject: [Eskrima] more on that martial arts and terrorism story Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >From today's New York Times: " And for its part, the government, which around the country has seen some of its high-profile arrests of alleged terror conspirators diminished over time has made no claims the men were on the verge of any violent act. But for law enforcement, that moment in the Bronx apartment earlier this month, and the arrests, were the high point of a government operation aimed at identifying and arresting people disposed to provide aid to terrorists. That operation has been under way for roughly two years, is continuing and could produce more arrests. It is an operation that began, in some measure, with the work of a former jailhouse informer and evolved into an elaborate sting, complete with secret meetings, cellphone calls purporting to be from Yemen, and talk of travel overseas for formal terror training in the name of jihad. Over two years, according to a lengthy criminal complaint unsealed yesterday in Federal District Court in Manhattan, there would be scores of conspiratorial telephone calls, secretly tape-recorded conversations and even coaching sessions on how to speak in code so as not to be detected. Mr. Shah, according to the complaint, agreed to train Al Qaeda members in hand-to-hand combat, and Dr. Sabir said he would provide medical assistance to wounded jihadists. But there were also uneventful months for the government and its suspects - apparently without contact, certainly without dramatic developments. One of the suspects once explained that he was hampered in his ability to travel on behalf of the terrorist cause because of trouble with the local courts for his failure to pay child support. By the government's account, there were promises by Mr. Shah to make a martial arts training video that, for all his talk, he seemed unable to provide. There were also government efforts to up the ante, to see if the men would be drawn in deeper. The government informer at one point took Mr. Shah to a Long Island warehouse and asked whether it appealed to him as a place to train jihadists in martial arts. At another time, the undercover F.B.I. agent explained to Mr. Shah that Al Qaeda's need for those trained in "close combat" arose because some of the terror organization's men who served in that role had been captured and imprisoned at Guantánamo Bay. The government, since the Sept. 11 attacks, has been unabashed about using sting operations to catch people who prosecutors suspect may be inclined to aid or participate in terrorist plots" In other words, they didn't do anything and hadn't planned to do anything specific. The 'martial arts expert' couldn't even finish a simple training video. The US government led them every step of the way, set everything up, and probably laid out all the plans for them in order to get a high-profile terrorism" case. In fact, you'll notice that the whole scheme isn't designed to actually catch terrorists or criminals. It's aimed at "identifying and arresting people disposed to provide aid to terrorists" - guys who probably won't do anything serious but might be inclined to think in ways the government doesn't like. If this is defending us against terrorists all I can say is it's an incredible waste of taxpayers' money and a triumph of press release over substance. --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Leo Daher" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [Eskrima] more on that martial arts and terrorism story Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 20:59:02 -0400 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Just out of curiosity, who signed that article? "Praise be that which toughens" - Nietzsche ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Todd Ellner" Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net To: Subject: [Eskrima] more on that martial arts and terrorism story Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 17:43:11 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) >From today's New York Times: " And for its part, the government, which around the country has seen some of its high-profile arrests of alleged terror conspirators diminished over time has made no claims the men were on the verge of any violent act. But for law enforcement, that moment in the Bronx apartment earlier this month, and the arrests, were the high point of a government operation aimed at identifying and arresting people disposed to provide aid to terrorists. That operation has been under way for roughly two years, is continuing and could produce more arrests. It is an operation that began, in some measure, with the work of a former jailhouse informer and evolved into an elaborate sting, complete with secret meetings, cellphone calls purporting to be from Yemen, and talk of travel overseas for formal terror training in the name of jihad. Over two years, according to a lengthy criminal complaint unsealed yesterday in Federal District Court in Manhattan, there would be scores of conspiratorial telephone calls, secretly tape-recorded conversations and even coaching sessions on how to speak in code so as not to be detected. Mr. Shah, according to the complaint, agreed to train Al Qaeda members in hand-to-hand combat, and Dr. Sabir said he would provide medical assistance to wounded jihadists. But there were also uneventful months for the government and its suspects - apparently without contact, certainly without dramatic developments. One of the suspects once explained that he was hampered in his ability to travel on behalf of the terrorist cause because of trouble with the local courts for his failure to pay child support. By the government's account, there were promises by Mr. Shah to make a martial arts training video that, for all his talk, he seemed unable to provide. There were also government efforts to up the ante, to see if the men would be drawn in deeper. The government informer at one point took Mr. Shah to a Long Island warehouse and asked whether it appealed to him as a place to train jihadists in martial arts. At another time, the undercover F.B.I. agent explained to Mr. Shah that Al Qaeda's need for those trained in "close combat" arose because some of the terror organization's men who served in that role had been captured and imprisoned at Guantánamo Bay. The government, since the Sept. 11 attacks, has been unabashed about using sting operations to catch people who prosecutors suspect may be inclined to aid or participate in terrorist plots" In other words, they didn't do anything and hadn't planned to do anything specific. The 'martial arts expert' couldn't even finish a simple training video. The US government led them every step of the way, set everything up, and probably laid out all the plans for them in order to get a high-profile terrorism" case. In fact, you'll notice that the whole scheme isn't designed to actually catch terrorists or criminals. It's aimed at "identifying and arresting people disposed to provide aid to terrorists" - guys who probably won't do anything serious but might be inclined to think in ways the government doesn't like. If this is defending us against terrorists all I can say is it's an incredible waste of taxpayers' money and a triumph of press release over substance. _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. 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