Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 03:04:20 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 12 #199 - 8 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2200 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Punching kicking and knives! (Phil Hurcum) 2. Moro shield (Sidney525@aol.com) 3. Re: Punching kicking and knives! (iPat) 4. RE: Badger and PEI (Young Forest) 5. Kali tudo ! thought escrima was supposed to be practical anyhow (malcolm knight) 6. Re: Punching kicking and knives! (jay de leon) 7. Re: Punching kicking and knives! (John Johnson) 8. RE: Punching kicking and knives! (Mike Casto) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 21:14:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Phil Hurcum To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Punching kicking and knives! Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hey, some guy's would charge hell with a bucket of water. http://www.washtimes.com/world/20040503-115511-7092r.htm __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Sidney525@aol.com Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 07:48:52 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net CC: esamado@yahoo.com Subject: [Eskrima] Moro shield Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net There is a wooden (moro) fighting shield from Mindanao that is for sale on E-bay. I bought one from the same guy. I have not seen too many of these around, so I thought you guys may be interested. Put in moro shield in ebay search engine. Sid --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 13:52:31 +0100 From: iPat To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Punching kicking and knives! Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net was this not on the list last year? now what kind of knife was it? What grip did he use?.... ; ) On 6/2/05, Phil Hurcum wrote: > > Hey, some guy's would charge hell with a bucket of > water. > > http://www.washtimes.com/world/20040503-115511-7092r.htm > > > -- > iPat > There is the urge that makes for conformity, and the urge to be free. > However dissimilar these two urges may seem to be, are they not > fundamentally similar? And if they are fundamentally similar, then your > pursuit of freedom is vain, for you will only move from one pattern to > another, endlessly. There is no noble or better conditioning, and it is this > desire that has to be understood. --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Young Forest" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 15:45:56 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] RE: Badger and PEI Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Badger, > >I was away for a couple of weeks, so I just scanned a dozen or more back >issues of ED. I saw your question(Ithink it was you?) looking for a FMA >school in PEI. Yep, that was me. >If you still need that info, let me know and I will get you an address. Yes please, and thanks in advance. I'm there for a week, and I have that feeling I'm going to be sick of potatoes, golf, lobster and Anne of Green Gables pretty quickly. >(from anther Island Province) One I hope to eventually visit. Badger Siling Labuyo Arnis --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "malcolm knight" To: Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 17:52:03 +0100 Subject: [Eskrima] Kali tudo ! thought escrima was supposed to be practical anyhow Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi folks , like to say its about time someone who would be taken seriously( Marc Denny ) looked at the lack of fma fighters in competition. How many times have you seen a martial arts demo where the guy in charge says "ok now we will show you how this works against an attack in the street , or a boxer style of attack" well I have heard plenty but, and there is always a but. K1, MMA, UFC, where are these techniques ? nowhere to be seen thats where, I always thought that aikido would be more that suitable for mma matches after all grasping twisting and sending opponents flying through the air is its thing is'nt it ! When I asked Diony Canete to show me how to translate stick movements to empty hand he had the answers, looked good while being demonstrated, same with Inosanto on video. If you face a boxer and he jabs then gunting his jab, this hand is ready for the follow up , trap that and bam bam bam. Seen it, heard it but only in demo mode , anyone ever heard of an fma stylist in K1, MMA, UFC ? ever seen anyone in the ring using the live hand to open up and control the opponent while striking him into submission ? We got all these Guros and self proclaimed hard men of fma I say prove it , get in the ring with a boxer thai or otherwise, cross trainer or someone like Remy Bonjasky from K1 and lets SEE these techniques work. Ok so I suppose there has to be some room to modify the technique a little to account for the oppenents style but the techniques should be able to be seen for what they are. Well I hope that has stimulated some thought and maybe provokes a reaction amongst us all. Keep whipping those sticks, Malcolm K. --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 09:52:20 -0700 (PDT) From: jay de leon Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Punching kicking and knives! To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Excellent article and interesting yarn. I just need to put my 2 cents worth on this one. A little over a year ago, the brother of a student dropped in and participated in one of my arnis classes. He was in the US Army and scheduled to leave for Iraq in a month. He was a veteran Sergeant in the Cavalry Division, and had served in Bosnia. He said normally he led a squad of his men in Humvees, I think 3 men to a Humvee. Anyway, we did about 15 min of stick and did knives the remainder of the hour. He said it was a great stuff, but he doubted he would ever have to use that kind of skill in Iraq. He said his survival depended on his men's teamwork, alertness, quick reflexes and an equally quick trigger finger (flexing his trigger finger) and God's will. He gave me a US Army T-shirt for the lesson, and as far as I know, is still serving in Iraq. Because of that encounter, I have always wondered if a US or coalition soldier ever had to use a knife in actual combat in Iraq, and I guess that article answered that question. Jay de Leon Phil Hurcum wrote: Hey, some guy's would charge hell with a bucket of water. http://www.washtimes.com/world/20040503-115511-7092r.htm __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "John Johnson" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Punching kicking and knives! Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 15:10:57 -0400 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net My cousin Garth Johnson also had to dispatch an assaliant with a knife while in Iraq. He was in on of Saddams palaces as he entered he looked around everything was suppose to be cleared out, he saw a shepard watering his goats at a gold plated fountain or something. My cousin felt safe enough to let his guard down a bit and take some pictures. Apparently there was a baddy with a knife hiding in the stair well. He came at my cousin form behind. Garth was able to over come the assaliant and dispatch him with the assaliant's own knife. Now he is the son of Pat Johnson, my uncle, a well respected martial artist and fight choreographer for Hollywood, and has been trained by his dad since he could walk I'm sure, those reflexes as well as his military training saved his life. So how's that for martial arts and knife use in Iraq. My Uncle shared the story with me when he visited last summer. He had other stories to tell but they involved guns and narrow escapes, not knives. Peace Out John I have always wondered if a US or coalition soldier ever had to use a knife in actual combat in Iraq, and I guess that article answered that question. > >Jay de Leon > > > > >Phil Hurcum wrote: >Hey, some guy's would charge hell with a bucket of >water. > >http://www.washtimes.com/world/20040503-115511-7092r.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________ >Discover Yahoo! >Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! >http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Mike Casto" To: Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Punching kicking and knives! Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 17:32:39 -0400 Organization: I.M.P.A.C.T. Academy of Martial Arts Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Yup. And it's important to remember that the military aren't always used to kill. A friend of mine is an infantryman in the Army. He was stationed on the Macedonian border during Kosovo. One of his duties was curfew enforcement in a border town. He said that one night he found a drunk out after curfew. The guy wasn't a bad guy and he wasn't a threat. He was just out after curfew. Chris, my friend, asked the guy where he lived so Chris could escort him home. The guy refused to answer. Chris continued trying to persuade the guy to accept an escort home and explained that if he didn't, Chris would have to lock him up over night. The guy still refused and started getting belligerent. Chris decided it was time to lock the guy up. The guy resisted. Chris used a Silat sweep to put the guy down then he rolled the guy over, zip cuffed him, and took him to a holding cell for the night. Mike -----Original Message----- From: John Johnson [mailto:chosen1j@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 3:11 PM To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Punching kicking and knives! My cousin Garth Johnson also had to dispatch an assaliant with a knife while in Iraq. He was in on of Saddams palaces as he entered he looked around everything was suppose to be cleared out, he saw a shepard watering his goats at a gold plated fountain or something. My cousin felt safe enough to let his guard down a bit and take some pictures. Apparently there was a baddy with a knife hiding in the stair well. He came at my cousin form behind. Garth was able to over come the assaliant and dispatch him with the assaliant's own knife. Now he is the son of Pat Johnson, my uncle, a well respected martial artist and fight choreographer for Hollywood, and has been trained by his dad since he could walk I'm sure, those reflexes as well as his military training saved his life. So how's that for martial arts and knife use in Iraq. My Uncle shared the story with me when he visited last summer. He had other stories to tell but they involved guns and narrow escapes, not knives. Peace Out John I have always wondered if a US or coalition soldier ever had to use a knife in actual combat in Iraq, and I guess that article answered that question. > >Jay de Leon > > > > >Phil Hurcum wrote: >Hey, some guy's would charge hell with a bucket of >water. > >http://www.washtimes.com/world/20040503-115511-7092r.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________ >Discover Yahoo! >Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! >http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. 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