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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2200 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Las Vegas FMA ? (Ray) 2. Re: Las Vegas FMA ? (Ken Grubb) 3. Maybe I can get a cool "Sith Lord" exoskeleton... (fistwind@att.net) 4. Knife fighting in Iraq (jason couture) 5. Re: Knife fighting in Iraq (Ray) 6. Re: Knife fighting in Iraq (iPat) 7. Re: Subject: [Eskrima] Kali tudo ! thought escrima was supposed to be practical anyhow) (Suarez, Neil) 8. Re: Maybe I can get a cool "Sith Lord" exoskeleton... (Steve Kohn) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Ray Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Las Vegas FMA ? To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 15:17:46 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Check me out! Website? Style? Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 16:01:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Ken Grubb Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Las Vegas FMA ? To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Brian Johns wrote: > I'm de-lurking in order to help out a friend of > mine. He's graduating from OSU law school and will > be moving to the Las Vegas, Nevada area ... > He would like to check out the FMA in that area Master Ariel Moses MSI Academy 8450 W. Sahara, Suite 112 Las Vegas, NV 89117 (702)325-9876 Ken Grubb Bellevue, WA --__--__-- Message: 3 From: fistwind@att.net To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 23:14:33 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Maybe I can get a cool "Sith Lord" exoskeleton... Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >"Some jobs will kill > you. Stay healthy and don't overtrain, don't burn out, keep the highest > awareness and you will have a long succesful life in the martial arts."< > C.H. Fung, D.D.S. > Torrance.Ca. Well Doc, that has to be about one of the best pieces of advice I have ever heard. In fact, I think it belongs right up there with "Footwork is important" and "If it rattles and bares fangs, change direction immediately". My body is host to a legion of dings and pains, many of which could have been avoided, had I been any brighter in my youth. But alas, the clash of the sticks, the manly attitude, and most of all the "Path of the Samurai" led me to believe that padding was unnecessary, eye protection was geeky, and, verbatim, "Mats are for wussies". And here I am 25 years later, looking at back surgery to correct a bulged disc, perpetual elbow problems, and a way high chiropractic bill each week. This is the kind of information a beginner needs, in ANY martial art. Unfortunately, I have heard it all before. Like, when I was 15 & doing full breakfalls on a hardwood dojo floor, without mats. Many a time was it said that we should be a little more careful, and much good advice was given by those with years and wisdom over my own. Ah, the arrogance of youth, the snotty attitude of a young man who thinks he is immortal, and will surely remain in his teens for all of his life. As if to prove that Karma exists, the man who taught ME such things now must walk with a cane, due to a deteriorating hip affliction, brought on by "hard training". If I was writing a book, I would call this chapter "Black belt by a broken back". Or maybe it should be "A fool is only cured by dying". Looking around at other instructors in my adulthood, I see lot's of Guru's have gone through the same tunnel. Not everybody came out as lucky as I did, though, and some still believe, in this age of enlightenment and cross-training, that these injuries are "just the way it is", and are a normal consequence of typical martial arts training. He who has ears, let him hear: You will pay for your ignorance. Or arrogance. Often the same thing. Bobbe Edmonds Edmonds Martial Arts Academy www.EMAA.us "Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam" - I have a catapult. Give me all your money, or I will fling an enormous rock at your head --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 16:17:57 -0700 (PDT) From: jason couture To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Knife fighting in Iraq Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net O.K. people, here is the real deal. From my experience fighting over in Iraq, it's all done at long range. Your lucky if you even see where the insurgents are shooting at you from. They pop out from an alley or a vehicle, shoot a few rounds or an RPG, then run like little bitches. They like to try and blow you up with IEDs too. These dogs don't want to get close to you. They don't have the balls. Scared boys who don't even respect themselves enough not to blow themselves up in a VBIED. Not to say that it has not happened but, I think you would be VERY hard pressed to find A soldier who has had to use his blade on a insurgent. I'm not telling you anything that you shouldn't already know because of all the news coverage but, you'll still have people out there who want to live in la-la land and believe that we crawl through the sewers, jump out and get into "kung-fu" fights with those pieces of shit. Warfare has changed a little in the past 100 yrs. or so. Want to know more? Do your part and join the military. FREEDOM IS NOT FREE! **JASON COUTURE** __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel and more fun for the weekend. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/weekend.html --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Knife fighting in Iraq To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 16:27:23 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > ... Do your part and join the military. > FREEDOM IS NOT FREE! Thanks. And welcome home! Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 00:33:24 +0100 From: iPat To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Knife fighting in Iraq Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net interesting account. Last year i trained with Tuhon Gaje, who had flown in from the Philipines. Apart from training some Filipino marine units, i was informed that several US units from Iraq were also consulting with him, due to a high ammount of casualties where some were being stabbed. Ive not been out there, and with the greatest respect maybe hold differing opinions on ones role there, but i had no reason to doubt the person providing the information. On 6/4/05, jason couture wrote: > O.K. people, here is the real deal. From my > experience fighting over in Iraq, it's all done at > long range. Your lucky if you even see where the > insurgents are shooting at you from. They pop out > from an alley or a vehicle, shoot a few rounds or an > RPG, then run like little bitches. They like to try > and blow you up with IEDs too. These dogs don't want > to get close to you. They don't have the balls. > Scared boys who don't even respect themselves enough > not to blow themselves up in a VBIED. Not to say that > it has not happened but, I think you would be VERY > hard pressed to find A soldier who has had to use his > blade on a insurgent. I'm not telling you anything > that you shouldn't already know because of all the > news coverage but, you'll still have people out there > who want to live in la-la land and believe that we > crawl through the sewers, jump out and get into > "kung-fu" fights with those pieces of shit. Warfare > has changed a little in the past 100 yrs. or so. Want > to know more? Do your part and join the military. > FREEDOM IS NOT FREE! > > **JASON COUTURE** -- iPat There is the urge that makes for conformity, and the urge to be free. However dissimilar these two urges may seem to be, are they not fundamentally similar? And if they are fundamentally similar, then your pursuit of freedom is vain, for you will only move from one pattern to another, endlessly. There is no noble or better conditioning, and it is this desire that has to be understood. --__--__-- Message: 7 Subject: Re: Subject: [Eskrima] Kali tudo ! thought escrima was supposed to be practical anyhow) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 16:22:47 -0700 From: "Suarez, Neil" To: Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Oh! I see how to reply, it worked! DOH - =) Hi there, long time lurking, finally getting around to posting something hehe (snip) >We got all these Guros and self proclaimed hard men of fma I say prove it , >get in the ring with a boxer thai or otherwise, cross trainer or someone l>like Remy Bonjasky from K1 and lets SEE these techniques work. -Malcolm K. Honestly as much as I want to see more of our arts in the cages, I understand that so much of it would to be modified as to not really injure someone for cage fights that it would prolly be so watered down that most people would miss it unless they have been trained to "see" it. Even though we may start to see more players in the ring in the near future, I kinda dont think many of the real old school Gu's will come out to fight in cage, its just not plausible for them to actually spar in that environment is my thinking,,, Seems to me people who train hardcore FMA/Silat or other life defending skills are so hard wired for hardcore "this is my life I am defending" it would take some time to re-define their mindsets and art for cage/sport fighting,.. maybe thats why its so rare.. I asked one of my sifu/senior about how he felt about fighting in a cage and he told me "I think the way that I would fight in a real life situation vs what we would be doing would cause me to lose the fight." I can understand that, training for self defense and fighting for sport seem to be on way other ends of the spectrum, like you just cant do some stuff without really breaking stuff during the entry's and take downs and not snapping spinal chords or necks etc.., not to say that the bridge cannot be applied, I just cant see any of the old school guys coming out to fight cages imo... Can you imagine someone like Vunak squarring off with like a ufc or k1 guy? Gu' Vu would prolly destroy him pretty badly I'd be willing to bet money. Theres prolly more politics involved also, as in the promoters dont want the "real" hardcore stuff in the cages, and I would be willing to bet most old school Gu's would not want to give it all away like that in a cage to the general public so outwardly..but this is all just me pondering , its neither here nor there im not authority or anything lol =). Looks like Gu' Denny's teachings may change all that in the future of cage fighters, personally I cant wait to see the results hehee Respect! Ray, Salamat po for the digest =) Neil --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 17:49:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Kohn Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Maybe I can get a cool "Sith Lord" exoskeleton... To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Good advice gentlemen. When I first started training, the goal was to shield myself from bodily harm...and that includes self inflicted harm. When you're young, testosterone can be your worst enemy. Fortunately for my body, I started FMA a little late and spared my body a lot of harm as I had no intention of competing in a younger mans game. As a result, I have no trophies, but I also don't have chronic pain either. I'm not saying competition is a bad thing...it just wasn't for me. -Steve Kohn fistwind@att.net wrote: >"Some jobs will kill > you. Stay healthy and don't overtrain, don't burn out, keep the highest > awareness and you will have a long succesful life in the martial arts."< > C.H. Fung, D.D.S. > Torrance.Ca. Well Doc, that has to be about one of the best pieces of advice I have ever heard. In fact, I think it belongs right up there with "Footwork is important" and "If it rattles and bares fangs, change direction immediately". My body is host to a legion of dings and pains, many of which could have been avoided, had I been any brighter in my youth. But alas, the clash of the sticks, the manly attitude, and most of all the "Path of the Samurai" led me to believe that padding was unnecessary, eye protection was geeky, and, verbatim, "Mats are for wussies". And here I am 25 years later, looking at back surgery to correct a bulged disc, perpetual elbow problems, and a way high chiropractic bill each week. This is the kind of information a beginner needs, in ANY martial art. Unfortunately, I have heard it all before. Like, when I was 15 & doing full breakfalls on a hardwood dojo floor, without mats. Many a time was it said that we should be a little more careful, and much good advice was given by those with years and wisdom over my own. Ah, the arrogance of youth, the snotty attitude of a young man who thinks he is immortal, and will surely remain in his teens for all of his life. As if to prove that Karma exists, the man who taught ME such things now must walk with a cane, due to a deteriorating hip affliction, brought on by "hard training". If I was writing a book, I would call this chapter "Black belt by a broken back". Or maybe it should be "A fool is only cured by dying". Looking around at other instructors in my adulthood, I see lot's of Guru's have gone through the same tunnel. Not everybody came out as lucky as I did, though, and some still believe, in this age of enlightenment and cross-training, that these injuries are "just the way it is", and are a normal consequence of typical martial arts training. He who has ears, let him hear: You will pay for your ignorance. Or arrogance. Often the same thing. Bobbe Edmonds Edmonds Martial Arts Academy www.EMAA.us "Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam" - I have a catapult. Give me all your money, or I will fling an enormous rock at your head _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --------------------------------- Discover Yahoo! Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing & more. 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