Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 12:24:16 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 12 #209 - 9 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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RE: Request to mailing list Eskrima (Errol Ballesteros) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Ray To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 05:45:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Eskrima] Indian Stick Fighting Manual Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net The Indian Stick Fighting Manual written in 1923 by Mr. H. G. Lang, a British Officer of the Indian Police, is now available as a pdf file. Easily downloaded, the manual is a quick enjoyable read. While reading, you are transported to the British Raj when the majority of men carried a walking stick, when attacks on individuals in railway carriages were a concern, and when unescorted ladies on rambles in the country could take comfort in their Walking Stick as a defence against the burliest ruffian. While it would be difficult to actually learn the Indian method of stick fighting from the manual, it does point out again the need for each of us to take responsibility for our personal safety. As Mr. Lang says, "Do not forget: we nearly all get into a "tight corner" some time or another, or are called upon to help others out. Be ready; and the only way to get ready is to learn and then practice." http://www.the-exiles.org/manual/lang/lang.htm --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 14:57:25 +0200 From: Alex 'Twist' Bohusch To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] High quality Espada y Daga Sets? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I'm looking for a shop selling good quality Espada y Daga sets (not training but sharp weapons). So far I've only found the Kris Cutlery Set.. are there any others? Thanks, Alex --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "[Bast]" To: Subject: Re: [Eskrima] High quality Espada y Daga Sets? Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 15:10:24 +0200 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net www.sinawalitrade.com (i bought the kerambit from 'em it's pretty good, but i believe it's not as good as kris cutlery) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex 'Twist' Bohusch" To: Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 2:57 PM Subject: [Eskrima] High quality Espada y Daga Sets? > I'm looking for a shop selling good quality Espada y Daga sets (not > training but sharp weapons). > > So far I've only found the Kris Cutlery Set.. are there any others? > > Thanks, > Alex > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 06:56:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Rohnee Gumpal To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Request to mailing list Eskrima Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Salute to everyone reading...this is coming from an Eskrimador in the Philippines! Thank God you guys are still practicing and propagating the art. Anyone who has any knowledge of Filipinos knows we are a people of colonially cancered traditions that we'd rather practice the art of another people first, rather than our own. I'm proud to say that even though alot of you are not Filipinos, you practice and propagate our art, learn the traditions, some even learning Tagalog, Cebuano, etc....even some marrying Filipinas....you have in essence have done what we could not do in the Philippines and I know you can do it there....that is presenting the art to an unadulterated audience and showing them the art in its' purest form...100% combat based. The only thing I noticed is the loose use of the titles Datu and Grandmaster. First you cannot become a Datu...you have to be born in a Noble Muslim Clan and the title is inherited, because your forefathers were all Datus. Next Grandmaster...there is no such thing here in the Philippines....it sounds like the title comes from a cheap kung-fu movie, but if you insist on calling a person by Grandmaster or master he'll eventually leave you alone and let you call himself that, but in reality I doubt if he thinks of himself in that way or else he's a vain, egotistical person that one cannot possibly learn the Chivalry of the Way of the Warrior. Well that's my opinion...Mabuhay! --------------------------------- Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM & more. Check it out! --__--__-- Message: 5 Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Request to mailing list Eskrima Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 12:32:58 -0400 From: "Clint Cayson" To: Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net -SNIP- ... First you cannot become a Datu...you have to be born in a Noble Muslim Clan and the title is inherited, because your forefathers were all Datus... -SNIP- For a broader meaning - Datus are ancient tribal chieftains in the pre-hispanic Philippines. Together with Sultan and Rajah they are also titles of royalty and currently used in Malaysia, Brunei and Indonesia and are the equivalent of Dukes, Marquis, etc.. Datu was derived from Malay words dato' or datok, which are the royal titles of the Malays. The arrival of ten Bornean datus is celebrated in the Biniriyan festival in the island of Panay. Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datu --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 12:39:47 -0400 (EDT) From: George Mason To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Request to mailing list Eskrima Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hey, Very nice post. Always good to hear from our brothers in the Philippines. You must come to the States one day and visit. Until then may God richly bless you. Geo the Bear -----Original Message----- From: Rohnee Gumpal Sent: Jun 10, 2005 9:56 AM To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Request to mailing list Eskrima Salute to everyone reading...this is coming from an Eskrimador in the Philippines! Thank God you guys are still practicing and propagating the art. Anyone who has any knowledge of Filipinos knows we are a people of colonially cancered traditions that we'd rather practice the art of another people first, rather than our own. I'm proud to say that even though alot of you are not Filipinos, you practice and propagate our art, learn the traditions, some even learning Tagalog, Cebuano, etc....even some marrying Filipinas....you have in essence have done what we could not do in the Philippines and I know you can do it there....that is presenting the art to an unadulterated audience and showing them the art in its' purest form...100% combat based. The only thing I noticed is the loose use of the titles Datu and Grandmaster. First you cannot become a Datu...you have to be born in a Noble Muslim Clan and the title is inherited, because your forefathers were all Datus. Next Grandmaster...there is no such thing here in the Philippines....it sounds like the title comes from a cheap kung-fu movie, but if you insist on calling a person by Grandmaster or master he'll eventually leave you alone and let you call himself that, but in reality I doubt if he thinks of himself in that way or else he's a vain, egotistical person that one cannot possibly learn the Chivalry of the Way of the Warrior. Well that's my opinion...Mabuhay! --------------------------------- Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM & more. Check it out! _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Wieneke, Myron" To: "'eskrima@martialartsresource.net'" Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Request to mailing list Eskrima Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 17:45:56 +0100 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net The term Datu is obviously not used in the traditional sense, its used as a ranking and sign of respect. Same as Guro, Lakan, Sempai/sempei, etc. GM's may not like or dont ask to be called GM's but it doesn't mean it doesn't exist in the Philippines.(BTW I am filipino). Just my opinion on the matter. Salamat, Myron -----Original Message----- From: rterry@idiom.com [mailto:rterry@idiom.com]On Behalf Of Rohnee Gumpal Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 9:56 AM To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Request to mailing list Eskrima Salute to everyone reading...this is coming from an Eskrimador in the Philippines! Thank God you guys are still practicing and propagating the art. Anyone who has any knowledge of Filipinos knows we are a people of colonially cancered traditions that we'd rather practice the art of another people first, rather than our own. I'm proud to say that even though alot of you are not Filipinos, you practice and propagate our art, learn the traditions, some even learning Tagalog, Cebuano, etc....even some marrying Filipinas....you have in essence have done what we could not do in the Philippines and I know you can do it there....that is presenting the art to an unadulterated audience and showing them the art in its' purest form...100% combat based. The only thing I noticed is the loose use of the titles Datu and Grandmaster. First you cannot become a Datu...you have to be born in a Noble Muslim Clan and the title is inherited, because your forefathers were all Datus. Next Grandmaster...there is no such thing here in the Philippines....it sounds like the title comes from a cheap kung-fu movie, but if you insist on calling a person by Grandmaster or master he'll eventually leave you alone and let you call himself that, but in reality I doubt if he thinks of himself in that way or else he's a vain, egotistical person that one cannot possibly learn the Chivalry of the Way of the Warrior. Well that's my opinion...Mabuhay! --------------------------------- Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM & more. Check it out! _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima ============================================================================== Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic communications disclaimer: http://www.csfb.com/legal_terms/disclaimer_external_email.shtml ============================================================================== --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Ste Ormerod" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 17:34:20 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] RE: New Eskrima Club In North West England Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi, Thanks Hig! you're making me blush! :-) --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Errol Ballesteros To: "'eskrima@martialartsresource.net'" Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Request to mailing list Eskrima Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 10:56:51 -0700 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I have to agree with you on that Myron. Born in P.I. I'm a Pilipino !!!! -----Original Message----- From: Wieneke, Myron [mailto:myron.wieneke@csfb.com] Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 12:46 PM To: 'eskrima@martialartsresource.net' Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Request to mailing list Eskrima The term Datu is obviously not used in the traditional sense, its used as a ranking and sign of respect. Same as Guro, Lakan, Sempai/sempei, etc. GM's may not like or dont ask to be called GM's but it doesn't mean it doesn't exist in the Philippines.(BTW I am filipino). Just my opinion on the matter. Salamat, Myron -----Original Message----- From: rterry@idiom.com [mailto:rterry@idiom.com]On Behalf Of Rohnee Gumpal Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 9:56 AM To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Request to mailing list Eskrima Salute to everyone reading...this is coming from an Eskrimador in the Philippines! Thank God you guys are still practicing and propagating the art. Anyone who has any knowledge of Filipinos knows we are a people of colonially cancered traditions that we'd rather practice the art of another people first, rather than our own. I'm proud to say that even though alot of you are not Filipinos, you practice and propagate our art, learn the traditions, some even learning Tagalog, Cebuano, etc....even some marrying Filipinas....you have in essence have done what we could not do in the Philippines and I know you can do it there....that is presenting the art to an unadulterated audience and showing them the art in its' purest form...100% combat based. The only thing I noticed is the loose use of the titles Datu and Grandmaster. First you cannot become a Datu...you have to be born in a Noble Muslim Clan and the title is inherited, because your forefathers were all Datus. Next Grandmaster...there is no such thing here in the Philippines....it sounds like the title comes from a cheap kung-fu movie, but if you insist on calling a person by Grandmaster or master he'll eventually leave you alone and let you call himself that, but in reality I doubt if he thinks of himself in that way or else he's a vain, egotistical person that one cannot possibly learn the Chivalry of the Way of the Warrior. Well that's my opinion...Mabuhay! --------------------------------- Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM & more. Check it out! _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima ============================================================================ == Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic communications disclaimer: http://www.csfb.com/legal_terms/disclaimer_external_email.shtml ============================================================================ == _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. 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