Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 17:13:26 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 12 #228 - 9 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Re: Re: Nunchaku (Steve Kohn) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 01:37:26 -0600 From: Gordon Walker To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] SEMINAR ANNOUNCEMENT Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi, I will be hosting a multi-art seminar with Guro Stephan Kesting in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Pricing for the Kali/Silat portion of the event is $45. The event will be held Friday night from 6-9pm at the VRRI. The remainder of the weekend will focus on submission grappling/BJJ in a no gi format. The topic will be positional strategy and movement from multiple scenarios. Pricing for this portion of the event will be $140. The entire event will cost $175. There will be a grappling drills DVD offered to all pre-registrants with deposits paid by July 8. I hope there is enough Filipino Martial Arts content in this message to merit its posting. Best Regards, Gordon Walker --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 00:47:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Felipe Jocano Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Nunchaku To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net That being said about the chux, I once asked a friend about his training in karate and the nunchaku. I asked to see one of his techniques. He put me in a painful hold immediately, as Ray described eloquently. Significantly this was his first choice of technique. Not the strikes, not the whirl but an immediate lock. Bot > I've had a few occasions to use 'chucks over the > years. Worked for > about a year as a third shift cashier at a 24 hour > supermarket. The > management was of the opinion that folks looking for > trouble after > 11:00 p.m. should be asked nicely to cease and > desist, and then have > their clock cleaned if they then failed to play > nice. Several of the > guys one the stock crew were JKA types, while I'd > been training some > Isshinryu; after Enter the Dragon came out just > about every karatka > played with 'chucks so we must have had a half dozen > pair salted > around the store. > > Used 'chucks a couple of times, usually on drunks > expressing their > displeasure after learning we couldn't sell booze > after 1:00 a.m. The > longer I worked there, though, the less I found > myself reaching for > the 'chucks, mostly 'cause the confines of the > checkout counter made > it take too long to get 'em swinging. Had a chunk of > pipe concealed > along the side of the register that eventually > became the drunk > thumper of choice. If I'd known then what I know now > I probably would > have spent less time clocking myself with 'chucks > (still can't do > that behind the neck pass consistently). But if the > need arose and a > pair of chucks were at hand I expect I could still > administer an > attitude adjustment with a pair. > > Regards, > > Buz Grover > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Nicholas Stevens" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 07:36:07 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] Atienza Kali in NH Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Here’s an exciting chance to train with Guro Carl Atienza in Derry NH! This is a amazing opportunity for anyone with interest in Filipino arts Atienza Kali Blade Awareness Seminar   July 16, 2005 Location: New England Academy of Martial Arts 10 A St. ( Gold's Gym) Derry, NH Material: -Blade awareness Price: $75 Equipment: Small training blades For Mor information Contact: Chris Konelas 603 432 5800 http://www.neamausa.com For more information on Atienza Kali go to www.Atienzakali.com --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 06:52:32 -0600 From: Jared Dame To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Hitting with Nunchaku Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net My two cents.... If you are going to use a weapon like the Nunchaku and not a single stick or knife then I would say you should start carrying around a mace the stick on one side and a large lead ball on the other end. The police will nail you either way. Its easier to explain a knife or a stick. I did train with them a long time ago but when time is on a premium I would rather roll or box. Late On 6/26/05, Khalkee@netscape.net wrote: > > Hitting: Have to establish continued motion on impact, a controlling > pull-through, otherwise the outcome will be drop or bounce-back. I've never > considered it practical for real-world usage, it's (duh) usually illegal to > carry. Some places will prosecute same as gun. I'd rather have a couple of > sticks or a single short stick, e.g., Dan Bong (Bone Breaker). > > __________________________________________________________________ > Switch to Netscape Internet Service. > As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at > http://isp.netscape.com/register > > Netscape. Just the Net You Need. > > New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer > Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. > Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > -- Jared Dame jareddame@gmail.com "If you would be a real seeker after truth, it is necessary that at least once in your life you doubt, as far as possible, all things." Rene Descartes --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "rob mulligan" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 10:12:51 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] Tabak-Toyuk, and a new addition! Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Regarding the tabak-toyuk (nunchaku) issue: The way I was taught there was none of the spinning that we typically associate with nunchaku. Tabak-toyuk can be used for trapping and crushing like Guro Ray related to, and can be used to hit or poke at close range with both sticks or held in one hand and striking with sweeps when held open. The butt can also be applied to pressure points just as one would do with the butt of a stick. Sweeps were usually used as a final shot while weaving back for protection from the rebound, with little or no spinning involved. Is spinning useful? Yes, when it’s used to decelerate the flying end of the “chuck”- no when it’s used as fancy fluff. When taken out of the context of being “chucks”, and just considered another semi-flexible weapon – ei: a belt with a large buckle. Learning to deal with a rebounding weapon and not getting your own nose broken is an excellent reward for training with the tabak-toyuk. Rob Mulligan Kwikstik.com P.S. We have a new future arnisador in our home: Keena Kellan Mulligan was born 06-09-05 and came out swinging at 7 lbs 15 oz. ”Keena Kellan” translates as “brave warrior princess” from Gaelic. “KiKi” and Mommy Yan are both doing very well! Pics are posted. From my home page, click the “site links” and then follow the obvious links. --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 07:57:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Kendal Coats To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re OKC Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Frankly I have no idea who is in OKC. Up here in Tulsa we have some Innosanto guys, whats left ot Terry Gibsons group, and some Arnis&Kombatan players. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 11:04:50 -0400 From: "Clint Cayson" To: Subject: [Eskrima] Nunchaks... Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net When I was a kid, my father bought me a nunchaks as a gift because I love to watch Bruce Lee movies. Especially enter the dragon and game of death. My father without training to the weapon showed me some woosh-woosh actions and I myself was awed and glued to the seat because my dad can act like Bruce! So, he gave it to me and told me to practice what I've seen. After few days of twirling the weapon over my head and under my legs, sides and I got more bruises that Bruce Lee's expertise. Then one morning my dad asked me to show what I learned, I told him that it's too difficult to learn the nunchaks... his face came in red and told me to show it to him or else... being scared of my Dad's reaction I twirled the thing overhead, sides, under the legs (groin hurts all the time) and twirled again overhead with much force...(my dad demands me to put force to it...). I know he's angry with my actions so I continued my effort to make it and with a sudden the nunchaks came off my hand... bounced off the wall, hits my dad on the head, knocks him off cold and fell the nunchaks on my right knee... Few minutes my Dad got off the floor with a big lump on his head. I got more scared when he touches his head... oh boy... I ran out with my bruised knee. I don't know which is scarier - the nunchaks or my dad. What a comic relief. In reality, I don't think nunchaks is that adaptable as compared to sticks and/or to knives. Maybe the ten people he was saying were a novice and don't know what to do. Thanks for the laff, Clint p.s. I was 10 years old that time. __________________________________________ Signed & Approved by: Clint V. Cayson --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Van Harn, Steve" To: "'eskrima@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 11:47:30 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] RE: Poi Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Loki posted "Of course, you can't practice nunchaku in the park - so I have since started working with poi (weights on a rope) which are fun, legal and safe but just as effective for developing fluidity of motion." As FMA'ers if you haven't checked out Poi you owe it to yourself to give it a try and let it show you what it will teach you about your movements and body mechanics and circular power. My instructor has picked up Poi as an addition to his fire performances a few years ago and recognized the immediate implications with Lubid, a knotted rope used by sailors and farmers in the PI. A great many combative striking applications can be realized through just starting with poi and working from there, trying to find applications. Poi movements work right into the circular and figure 8 movements of FMA. Especially if you used double short ropes with monkey paw knots. When you get good, try lighting them on fire which I know Loki does as well. Coming full circle of course, try it with the nunchaku on fire, but learn about fire from someone knowledgeable. Could be a whole new aspect for FMA Steve Van Harn Arnis Sikaran Sandatahan Jornales System --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 13:35:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Kohn Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Nunchaku To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Now that you mention it, I do recall Tom Meadows using the nunchaku to teach bullwhip fundamantals some years back. -Steve Kohn Jonathan Kessler wrote: One more positive about nunchaku - they are very useful for demonstrating (and teaching and learning) about the physics of momentum. I have a sword teacher who uses them for just that. With a stick or shinai you can make abrupt changes of direction that you really can't do with live steel (the lighter weight of a shinai lets you do things that the heavier steel won't do, momentum wise). You simply can't make abrupt changes of direction with nunchaku - you have to learn to follow the momentum. Doesn't make them a great weapon, but a useful taching tool. JK _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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