Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 17:43:17 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 12 #246 - 8 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2200 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. RE: First Aid Resource (Clint Cayson) 2. Re: working out in Middle TN (lastderivative@hush.ai) 3. Re: working out in Middle TN (Steve Klement) 4. Re: First Aid Resources (buz_ed_alias@mac.com) 5. Re: First Aid Resource (Jonathan Kessler) 6. First Aid Resource (Leslie L. Buck, Jr. TKA) 7. PENCAK SILAT AND KETTLEBELL WEEKEND, AUGUST 12-13-14 (POWERFACTOR71839@aol.com) 8. Hilot (jay de leon) --__--__-- Message: 1 Subject: RE: [Eskrima] First Aid Resource Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 16:29:22 -0400 From: "Clint Cayson" To: Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Most fire department stations provide classes on some injuries as well as CPR. If the wound(s) is/are severe, let the professionals do the job. Just a thought. Clint -----Original Message----- From: Lance and Jocylin Cross [mailto:lacross@kent.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 1:33 PM To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] First Aid Resource Hi, Is there a seperate discipline about the emergency treatment of blade wounds and impact injuries? I believe part of self defense or personal safety training is to survive long enough for an ambulance team to arrive. If its not you your saving, it is someone you care about. First Aid is offered locally, but I wondered if there was training available that specialized in healing (or first aid) to blade and impact wounds that covered more than first aid. With thanks, Lance Cross Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.7/34 - Release Date: 6/29/05 _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 14:06:35 -0700 To: Subject: Re: [Eskrima] working out in Middle TN From: Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Wed, 13 Jul 2005 11:42:05 -0700 (PDT) From: jay de leon Subject: Re: [Eskrima] working out in Middle TN Hi. I will be in Germantown and Memphis, TN the weekend of Aug. 26-28, 2005. How far are you from these cities? Thanks, Jay de Leon Mr. De Leon, Nashville is almost precisely in the center of TN, Memphis is on the extreme west of TN (aprox. 200 miles/3 hours). Are you holding/sponsoring a seminar on the Aug. dates? If so.. could you point me towards info or email me off-list? thanks to all, Brian ( lastderivative AT hushmail.ai , remove spaces and AT=@) ( www.nashvillebagua.org ) --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Steve Klement Subject: Re: [Eskrima] working out in Middle TN Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 17:36:03 -0400 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sir - "If" I understand you correctly, you have no Instructor in the FMA at this time. If this is so, be careful. Going down the wrong path fast just gets you to the wrong destination faster. Without a competent Instructor by your side in an ongoing celebration of give and take one can easily lose their way even with the best of intentions. And if you are practicing the moves incorrectly over and over you may just get good at doing them wrong. Sincerely though, good luck with your training in the FMA. It is inspiring to see the passion is so deep in you to go to such measures to train. Also, apologies if you or someone else that will be leading these sessions is adept at the FMA's. If this is the case, my words have no meaning here (please disregard). -- Steve Klement Inayan Masirib Guro www.inayaneskrima.com klement@inayaneskrima.com Inayan Systems International > Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 17:38:17 -0700 > To: > From: > Subject: [Eskrima] working out in Middle TN > > > Hey all, > Just a quick note to the list to spread some info. > We don't have a FMA school in Nashville, the one that > taught Doce Pares switched to karate and doesn't hold > FMA classes anymore. > I and a kungfu buddy of mine have started a training > group in Percy Warner Park in Nashville, and any people > who do FMA and want to train with me are welcome to > come and play. We are doing it "No money, no egos, no drama!". > I will be more than happy to play as hard or light as anyone > might want. I encourage anyone who knows someone > in the area to drop them a line and tell them about the weekly > meets. FMA are far too good to be relegated to everybody's > solo practice!!! > > cheers, > Brian > www.nashvillebagua.org --__--__-- Message: 4 From: buz_ed_alias@mac.com Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 17:51:39 -0400 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: First Aid Resources Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Lance asks: > Is there a seperate discipline about the emergency treatment of > blade wounds > and impact injuries? I believe part of self defense or personal > safety > training is to survive long enough for an ambulance team to arrive. I'm a member of a Community Emergency Response Team (CERT) and have hence received all sorts of interesting training. Nothing blade or impact specific per se, but we've run 100+ victim tornado scenarios, for instance, where all sorts of injuries and extrications have been drilled. I can't speak for CERT teams across the country--I suspect my proximity to Washington DC has provided training opportunities other CERT teams lack--though the CERT curriculum is standardized and plenty of training materials are available. You can search for a CERT team in your area at: http://training.fema.gov/EMIWeb/CERT/dir.asp You can also check out my team's website to get an idea of what we do. Click on the pictures link for photos of some of our drills: http://www.gmu.edu/service/cert/index.htm An aside here: I've taken a boatload of first aid training over the years, but nonetheless found the team aspects of CERT training to be very eye opening. It's not widely known that a significant percentage of victims at most major incidents are erstwhile "rescuers;" as I recall over 30 percent of the victims in the big Mexico City earthquake were killed or injured attempting rescues. Some very basic techniques can keep "rescuers" from adding to the body count. Think anyone who finds the edge and pushes past in any pursuit should have a solid foundation in first aid, and those interested taking things to the next level should learn how to effect a rescue in a team setting. Regards, Buz Grover --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 15:21:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Jonathan Kessler Subject: Re: [Eskrima] First Aid Resource To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Lance, This is a really intelligent post. So many of us training in self-defense train for far out "what if I'm attacked by 21 ninjas in purple tutus on the subway" scenarios, and don't bother to buckle our seatbelts when we go out for a drive... If we're serious about protecting ourselves and our loved ones, being able to take care of a serious injury is extremely important. Maybe not as glamorous as a cool new blade disarm, but likely far more useful. Thanks for raising the issue. JK Message: 2 From: "Lance and Jocylin Cross" To: Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 13:32:49 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] First Aid Resource Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi, Is there a seperate discipline about the emergency treatment of blade wounds and impact injuries? I believe part of self defense or personal safety training is to survive long enough for an ambulance team to arrive. If its not you your saving, it is someone you care about. First Aid is offered locally, but I wondered if there was training available that specialized in healing (or first aid) to blade and impact wounds that covered more than first aid. With thanks, Lance Cross --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Leslie L. Buck, Jr. TKA" To: Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 18:31:09 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] First Aid Resource Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net In regards to the First Aid Resource topic, I think the advice mentioned before is best. Not only do the professionals have the proper training and knowledge, but liability is also a factor when strangers are involved. On the other hand, I would add that knowing some basics of emergency first aid is indeed very valuable. I think you could easily find someone capable of teaching you those skills. First aid courses are common in community centers. Certainly with the type of training we do, the potential for injuries, however minor or serious, is high. I personally would like to make it part of my long term study and lesson plans for the group. It's good if I know it, but what about when my partner knocks me out with a blow to the head or I accidentally cut myself doing something stupid? Guro Rudy Salazar of our group, the Texas Kali Association, presents a Surviving Penetrating Injuries powerpoint lecture that has really helped me. Although a lot of the images are gruesome, the intent is really just to show what is survivable. It also covers how to respond to various typical injuries in the field. This is all for application just after an accident or conflict when one is awaiting EMS. Guro Rudy typically presents it at our yearly camps and at our law enforcement and military programs. Rudy is an RN, he teaches EMS and Emergency Rescue classes at the University of Texas Health and Sciences Center, and he is a veteran of the Vietnam War, where he also served on medical emergency teams. Definitely we like to have him around, and I have to admit, I would like to try out his portable defibulater (sp?) one day. Anyway, he always emphasizes the basics in a practical way. I often find myself overseas, stuck in the middle of nowhere, a long, long way from good medical services, so maybe I have a litle better chance of survival should something happen. On another note, I have experienced hilot first hand on several occasions. My first experience was in Indonesia. Not necessarily hilot, but the same i dea - bone setting, massage, use of herbal medicines. Over the years I was treated for mostly impact wounds, back injuries, twisted knees and... well...diarrhea. Of course we all have our miraculous stories, but I have had enough done to me that I do very much respect those who know how to do it. My most noted experience was a 15 minute repair to a 6 month problem when I was in the Philippines a few years ago. For several months, I had a bad shoulder injury that would not go away. I could not lift anything and the burning pain was terrible. After trying accupuncture, then seeing a sports injury / bone and joint specialist, and then undergoing rehab for several weeks, I still felt very weak and vulnerable. During a visit to Bacolod City, I saw our favorite local healer who fixed it without even asking what the problem was. The cure was painful - no massage foreplay either, but the results were very good and lasting. I could feel a difference immediately. Many say hilot is only "inherited" or learned intuitively, but certainly some of the elements can be learned. My guess is you could at least learn some of the first aid and holistic cures from it, but the whole method would take years of study / practice. Kind of like knowing how to change the oil vs. being a mechanic. Definitely I'd like to see more on the subject. best regards to all, Leslie Buck Texas Kali Association www.TexasKali.org www.KaliGear.com --__--__-- Message: 7 From: POWERFACTOR71839@aol.com Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 19:54:41 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] PENCAK SILAT AND KETTLEBELL WEEKEND, AUGUST 12-13-14 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net HARD CORE SUMMER TRAINING PENCAK SILAT AND KETTLEBELL WEEKEND, AUGUST 12-13-14 AT THE DOBLES INSTITUTE, MIAMI, FLORIDA August 12, A Focused Evening of KB and Bodyweight Conditioning Tom Furman has been in the conditioning and martial arts game for most of his life. He will be presenting material that will be on his upcoming DVD, "Concrete Conflict and Conditioning". This material will include segments on Bodyweight Training as well as JumpStretch Bands. Proper basics of Kettlebell Training will be the foundation for the advanced skills taught in this workshop. Aug.13+14 An Intense weekend of fully packed Silat Training! You will Learn Authentic Dutch - Indo & Indonesian Silat from one of todays best practitioners.  Guru Cliff is known for his knowledge and understanding of how Silat works in real life applications from his years of experience as an executive bodyguard.  He is a  veteran of over 25 years in the executive protection field, Cliff Stewart has provided elite bodyguard services to the rich and famous, including Wesley Snipes, Larry Flynt, Mr. T., Joan Collins, Muhammad Ali, Stevie Wonder, James Garner, members of royal families and foreign diplomats. Very few masters today have any actual real world experience of applying their martial art so dont miss out on this opportunity to study with a true master of Pencak Silat! For information and registration go to www.doblesinstitute.com --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 18:05:18 -0700 (PDT) From: jay de leon To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Hilot Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Guro Buck : Thank you for the excellent exposition on hilot, and of course, nothing like a first hand testimonial. You are absolutely right about hilot in Indonesia. In fact, very similar forms of hilot may be found all over Asia, even in India as part of Ayurveda. Especially in the earlier times, many FMA masters were also hilot masters, for hilot is the other side of the coin of arnis. If you know where and how to damage a body, you understand the principles of healing the body. One of the foremost examples was probably GM Momoy Canete, who was known for his healing powers almost as much for his arnis prowess. I believe his senior student Tom Bisio has also become a master and medical practitioner in both Filipino and Chinese healing arts. In one of my articles a long time ago, I mentioned GM Sam Tendencia as a hilot master. I am still receiving inquiries how to contact him. Please do not email me asking for his whereabouts. It is generally believed he has retired to the Philippines. As I said, unfortunately, there are not too many hilot masters in the US, but they abound in the Philippines. Guro Buck is also correct. Hilot is just like arnis, there are varying degrees of skill, and the hilot masters can perform medical near-miracles. I believe Gat Puno Abon Baet has a short article on hilot in his website. I wrote a hilot article you can read as a Special Edition of "Garimot Arnis" in the FMA Digest. Also, Gat Puno Abon Baet will perform hilot demo and actually do hilot treatments at my "Tipunan" arnis seminar on Aug. 12-14, 2005 at the Anaheim Hilton in front of Disneyland in Anaheim, California. Call me if interested. I have a friend (a non-martial artist) who is coming to the seminar all the way from Atlanta, GA just to get hilot treatment from Gat Puno Abon. Jay de Leon 951-894-1452 "Leslie L. Buck, Jr. TKA" wrote: On another note, I have experienced hilot first hand on several occasions. My first experience was in Indonesia. Not necessarily hilot, but the same i dea - bone setting, massage, use of herbal medicines. Over the years I was treated for mostly impact wounds, back injuries, twisted knees and... well...diarrhea. Of course we all have our miraculous stories, but I have had enough done to me that I do very much respect those who know how to do it. My most noted experience was a 15 minute repair to a 6 month problem when I was in the Philippines a few years ago. For several months, I had a bad shoulder injury that would not go away. I could not lift anything and the burning pain was terrible. After trying accupuncture, then seeing a sports injury / bone and joint specialist, and then undergoing rehab for several weeks, I still felt very weak and vulnerable. During a visit to Bacolod City, I saw our favorite local healer who fixed it without even asking what the problem was. The cure was painful - no massage foreplay either, but the results were very good and lasting. I could feel a difference immediately. Many say hilot is only "inherited" or learned intuitively, but certainly some of the elements can be learned. My guess is you could at least learn some of the first aid and holistic cures from it, but the whole method would take years of study / practice. Kind of like knowing how to change the oil vs. being a mechanic. Definitely I'd like to see more on the subject. best regards to all, Leslie Buck Texas Kali Association www.TexasKali.org www.KaliGear.com _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest