Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 03:03:43 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 12 #249 - 5 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. RE: Kali Fencing (W S) 2. Brownsville, Texas (Paul Woodruff) 3. hilot (Stephen Lamade) 4. RE: Brownsville, Texas (Mike Casto) 5. Upcoming Nashvlle seminar (David Whitley) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "W S" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 10:44:42 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] RE: Kali Fencing Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Chris wrote: >Guro William, > >I'm not sure where you are located, but if you get to the NJ area I'm >always more than glad to cross-train. I've enjoyed entering Bakbakan >tournaments since there just aren't enough WMA local tournaments for my >students and the SCA in my area has very poor rules (the hardest you are >allowed to hit someone is with the force that would place a 2" bend in a >#5 foil). > >Chris Chris, I'm located in Rhode Island and make forays into other parts of NE. I will most certainly contact you if I'm down in your area. Please feel free to do the same if you are ever in my neck of the woods. Best regards William New England Pekiti-Tirsia Pitbulls Mongrel Combative Systems --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 14:58:22 -0230 From: "Paul Woodruff" To: Subject: [Eskrima] Brownsville, Texas Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net One of the guys from our club is moving to Brownsville, Texas next week. Does anyone know of any training groups, FMA or otherwise, that he could look up to work out with? Thanks in advance. Paul Woodruff --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Stephen Lamade" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 18:04:15 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] hilot Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Jay de Leon wrote: "Especially in the earlier times, many FMA masters were also hilot masters, for hilot is the other side of the coin of arnis. If you know where and how to damage a body, you understand the principles of healing the body. One of the foremost examples was probably GM Momoy Canete, who was known for his healing powers almost as much for his arnis prowess. I believe his senior student Tom Bisio has also become a master and medical practitioner in both Filipino and Chinese healing arts." I’ve included Tom's description of Momoy on one of my webpages: “After the war, Momoy became well known in the San Nicolas barrio of Cebu City as a healer. Often during Eskrima practice he would pause to treat patients from the neighborhood with spiritual healing and hilot in his courtyard. As he massaged an injury, aligned bones, or healed illness, he recited spiritual words and prayers. Momoy attributed his skill to God and claimed that concentrated prayer developed his ability to heal.” (For more information on Momoy Canete: http://northshoreac.com/san_miguel_eskrima/momoy.htm. (I’ve heard that Ramon Rubia is writing a book on SME that will probably contain more biographical information about Momoy than has previously been available. Rey Galang's book that is also mentioned on a recent post also contains information about Momoy.) Tom Bisio is indeed well-known as a practitioner of Chinese medicine, but does not, to the best of my knowledge, practice hilot. I have heard him say that while he thinks that Momoy’s hilot was very similar to some of the healing modalities that fall within the scope of Chinese medicine, he did not have the experience, when he was training with Momoy, to fully understand what Momoy was doing from a theoretical perspective. He did however appreciate that Momoy’s healing practice was very advanced. Tom originally learned Tui Na and bone setting skills from Vince Black, who was a student of Hsu Hong Chi in the United States and also in Taiwan, and also from different teachers in mainland China. Tom and Frank Butler (a student of Kenny Gong in NYC) teach a series of Tui Na classes that I have taken and can recommend without hesitation to martial arts teachers interested in treating their own and their students’ injuries (in fact, I'm treating my own blown hamstring with herbal remedies as I write this post). For more information: www.tombisio.com, www.zhenggutuina.com. Tom has also written a book, “A Tooth from the Tiger’s Mouth,” that is an excellent primer for this type of medicine (see my review at www.amazon.com). There appears to be an excellent book on the market that I have not read but plan to get soon: “Healing by Hand: Manual Medicine and Bonesettiing in a Cultural Context” (Edited by Kathryn S. Oths, (University of Alabama) and Servando Z. Hinojosa, (University of Texas, Pan American), that explores different "traditional" healing traditions around the world, and may offer some insight into the practice of hilot. *** Lance Cross asked if there was a seperate discipline about the emergency treatment of blade wounds and impact injuries? In keeping with the original topic (hilot, etc.), it is interesting to note that "traditional" medicines (particularly those associated with martial traditions) developed ways (by necessity) to deal with stab wounds that involved herbal medicines with antibiotic properties as well as those that stopped bleeding quickly. I think however that the advantage that we have in industrialized nations is the quick access to imaging technologies, emergency surgery, and antibiotic therapy (see below). With respect to the emergency treatment of blade wounds, I believe that the Sayoc Kali people have offered such a course in the past. Another alternative would be to take the next step past basic first aid and explore paramedic or miltary-type training that would be more specific to this kind of trauma, i.e., tying off or clamping the arteries associated with severe bleeds. Severe blade wounds are problematic insofar as shock due to blood loss is a quick killer and one must immediately stop the source of the bleed. There is the further issue of needing to surgically repair the severed tissue, blood vessels, and organs that is probably be best handled by a surgeon. There is also the subsequent issue of infection that cannot be ignored during an emergency; this would include washing out and disinfecting wounds once bleeding has terminated, as well as the use of antibiotics. With respect to impact injuries, it is important to understand that a significant amount of fluid can be lost in the tissues subsequent to the injury and should be moved so that it can be reabsorbed by the body and the damaged tissue perfused with fresh blood and lymph, etc. Again, Tom's book is a great primer, in this regard. Best, Steve Lamade www.northshoreac.com --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Mike Casto" To: Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Brownsville, Texas Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 17:45:43 -0400 Organization: I.M.P.A.C.T. Academy of Martial Arts Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Wow. That's about as far south as you can get there and still remain on American soil. The closest thing I know to him is a Kuntao Silat school in Reynosa, Mexico. The instructor's name is Luz Pena. He's an incredibly nice guy and a very good Kuntao Silat man under Willem "Uncle Bill" de Thouars. His school's website doesn't seem to be active but the school's name and address and an e-mail address that might work can be found about 3/4 of the way down this page: http://www.willemdethouars.com/teachers.html I'd definitely recommend that your friend check him out if he has the chance. I don't think he'll be disappointed - especially if he has any interest in Kuntao Silat at all. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Paul Woodruff [mailto:paulw@gov.nl.ca] Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 1:28 PM To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Brownsville, Texas One of the guys from our club is moving to Brownsville, Texas next week. Does anyone know of any training groups, FMA or otherwise, that he could look up to work out with? Thanks in advance. Paul Woodruff _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "David Whitley" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 00:10:39 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Upcoming Nashvlle seminar Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Rick Caudle of Creative Fighting Concepts and I are doing a seminar on 8:20 in Nashville. Rick will be covering combative/JKD material and i will be doing applied strength, joint mobility and flexibility for martial artists. Email me for more details. 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