Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 03:03:48 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 12 #257 - 4 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: FRIDAY EVE SEMINAR (jay de leon) 2. Right to defend ourselves (Loki Jorgenson) 3. Eskrima digest, (TJ Reid) 4. Colonial period? (Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 21:32:04 -0700 (PDT) From: jay de leon Subject: Re: [Eskrima] FRIDAY EVE SEMINAR To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Joe : Thanks for the explanation. Majapahit would seem like an appropriate term from a historical point of view. The Majapahit empire is closely identified more with Indonesia. The Majapahit empire conquered the Sri-Visayan empire, whence many of the Malay forefathers of the Filipinos came. That much I remember from my Philippine history learned in the Philippines. Jay Jennifer and Joseph Marana wrote: Jay, Majapahit is the terminology Guro Dan is currently using for his silat classes. Also called Maphilindo (Malaysia, Philippines, Indonesia) I believe Guro is using the term Majapahit to differentiate from the Maphilindo that GT Gaje is teaching. So in answer to your question it is Guro Dan's silat "blend". According to Guro Dan, the Majapahit Empire at one time included the three aforementioned nations as well as many others. In some ways this "name" be more fitting/appropriate as Guro Dan does not limit his silat curriculum to styles/techniques from those three countries only. My grandfather added that the Majapahit Empire was once one of the greatest empires in the world. As a side note it is always so interesting to see how history is really swayed by those who write it and propagate it, as up until joining Guro Dan's academy I had never heard of the Majapahit Empire in all my years of school! Hope this helps. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "jay de leon" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 6:21 AM Subject: Re: [Eskrima] FRIDAY EVE SEMINAR > Hi. Is majapahit a silat or Indonesian system? Is that part of Guro > Dan's system ? > > Thanks, > Jay de Leon > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 22:15:03 -0700 From: Loki Jorgenson Organization: maelstrom Core To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Right to defend ourselves Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net As I recall, Jefferson's point of guaranteeing the right of the populace to defend itself was to ward off invasion by other nations (such as Britain and France at the time) and protect itself from internal agents of those nations. It was standard practice in colonial days to prohibit the bearing of arms and training in arms by the citizenry and so enshrining that right constitutionally becomes a very anti-colonial statement. This case being somewhat distinct from the current need for members of a society to protect themselves from other members of the same society (which has been a universal need but dealt with a in a variety of different ways socially). In the case of the proposed Canadian legislation, it appears that this particular approximation of justice we call "law" has poor behaviour outside of the narrow context it was intended for (such as cage matches). The usual remedy is a visible and accessible legislative process with ready input from the people. I doubt there is any conscious intention to strip people of the right to defend themselves per se - it's just not a big deal up here. I expect we'll be able to deal with it reasonably. Otherwise God help a politician standing before a riled Canadian!!! >-- __--__-- > >Message: 1 >Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 21:09:02 -0700 (PDT) >From: Wylie Mitchell > >A thought about freedom to protect yourself can be summed up with this American quote: > >" It is an axiom in my mind, that our liberty can never be safe but in the hands of the people themselves, and that, too, of the people with a certain degree of instruction. This it is the business of the State to effect, and on a general plan." — JEFFERSON : in a letter to Washington, January 4, 1786. > >I believe the intruction mentioned by Mr. Jefferson includes: the right to learn defend yourself and to hold the government accountable for itself throught the people to uphold this right. > > I believe Canada as our Northern brethern, and I do hope this buisness of the good people of Canada being stripped of this right to defend and practice will be dropped soon. Good Luck! > >Wylie Mitchell, TMAA > > > -- maelstrom \ Loki Jorgenson martial _ \ Pekiti-Tirsia kali loki@maelstromcore.com arts / O_/ Dog Brothers MA www.maelstromcore.com \ Inosanto Academy (604) 250-4642 \ silat Jati Wisesa -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.5/58 - Release Date: 7/25/2005 --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 18:18:45 -0700 (PDT) From: TJ Reid To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Eskrima digest, Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello All, First time writer long time reader. I was wondering if anyone knew if there were any Panantukan or any other empty hand filipino matial art anywhere in San Antonio, Texas. Also, can anyone tell me where to get escrima sticks besides rattan. I would like to get something heavy and high density like bahi, kamagong, or even swords like, kampilans or a pinuti. TJ --- eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net wrote: > Send Eskrima mailing list submissions to > eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, > visit > > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > or, via email, send a message with subject or body > 'help' to > eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it > is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Eskrima digest..." > ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 20:18:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Eskrima] Colonial period? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > It was standard practice in colonial days to prohibit > the bearing of arms and training in arms by the citizenry and so > enshrining that right constitutionally becomes a very anti-colonial > statement. The US colonial period? Ummm, no, that is incorrect. The US colonial period is defined as period the from 1600 to 1775. The bearing of arms and training in same was encouraged (for males) and even required if you ventured very far from the limits of the few small towns and cities that existed in North American during this time period. NYC was the largest town in what became the US, and it only had a population of ~20,000 in 1775. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest