Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 11:29:28 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 12 #260 - 11 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Re: TJ reid panantuken in san antonio (guro marsh) (Wylie Mitchell) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Hamilton, David" To: "Hamilton, David" , "'eskrima@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 07:29:03 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] Training in San Antonio Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net _____ TJ, Please check the texaskali.org for instuctors in SAT. They incorporate dumog in their art. Also their is a link to their kaligear store where you can find some of the sticks you are looking for. David Message: 3 Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 18:18:45 -0700 (PDT) From: TJ Reid To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Eskrima digest, Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello All, First time writer long time reader. I was wondering if anyone knew if there were any Panantukan or any other empty hand filipino matial art anywhere in San Antonio, Texas. Also, can anyone tell me where to get escrima sticks besides rattan. I would like to get something heavy and high density like bahi, kamagong, or even swords like, kampilans or a pinuti. TJ --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Larry St. Clair" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 08:13:07 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] Panantukan in Austin TX Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello TJ, We offer Filipino Boxing / Panantukan Program at our Academy in Austin Texas It is on Saturday mornings from 11am - 1230pm. Feel free to contact us at: The Center of Martial Arts Martial Way Academy www.martialway.net 512 339-8264 Thanks and I hope to hear from you soon. Sincerely, Larry --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Larry St. Clair" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 08:16:51 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] Other Sticks than just Rattan Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hey TJ, Almost forgot, one of my partners has a website offering more than just Rattans. It has lots of different Kali Gear available. Check out: www.KaliGear.com. Hope this helps. Sincerely, Larry --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 08:26:28 -0500 From: WoodyTX To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Colonial period? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Guns were expensive; they were also a necessity for survival (hunting and defense). I would submit that every landowning family had at least one, and most non-landowners did, too. "I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials." - George Mason Woody On 7/28/05, Ken Borowiec/Rudolph Research Analytical < kborowiec@rudolphresearch.com> wrote: > > >> It was standard practice in colonial days to prohibit > >> the bearing of arms and training in arms by the citizenry and so > >> enshrining that right constitutionally becomes a very anti-colonial > >> statement. > > > > The US colonial period? Ummm, no, that is incorrect. > > > > The US colonial period is defined as period the from 1600 to 1775. The > > bearing of arms and training in same was encouraged (for males) and even > > required if you ventured very far from the limits of the few small towns > > and cities that existed in North American during this time period. > > > > NYC was the largest town in what became the US, and it only had a > > population > > of ~20,000 in 1775. > > > Guns were also quite expensive during that period so most people other > than > militia could not afford a firing weapon. > > > Kenny > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Ken Borowiec/Rudolph Research Analytical" To: Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: [Eskrima} Colonial period? Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 09:49:36 -0400 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Semantics. An unorganized malitia in my opinion is also called a mob. Unorganized and aimed toward the same goal. mob (mb) KEY NOUN: 1.. A large disorderly crowd or throng. See Synonyms at crowd 1. 2.. The mass of common people; the populace. 3.. Informal 1.. An organized gang of criminals; a crime syndicate. 2.. often Mob Organized crime. Often used with the: a murder suspect with links to the Mob. 4.. An indiscriminate or loosely associated group of persons or things: a mob of boats in the harbor. 5.. Australian A flock or herd of animals. As for the cost of guns and availability I could not find proof of my statement. All I found was people having different opinions. I had heard it on the history channel I believe but I have no proof so I retract that statement. Kenny ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray" To: "Eskrima" Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 8:27 PM Subject: [Eskrima] Re: [Eskrima} Colonial period? >> Guns were also quite expensive during that period so most people other >> than >> militia could not afford a firing weapon. > > ??? Essentially almost every adult male was, and still is, a member of > the > militia. > > So you didn't really -join- a militia then and you still don't. By > definition > most of us in the US are in the unorganized militia, whether you want to > be > or not. See Title 10 of US Code, Subtitle A, Chapter 13. > > Other than age, health, gender or citizenship, there are no additional > provisions for exemption from membership in the unorganized militia in the > USA. > > Ray Terry > rterry@idiom.com > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of audio_key2.gif] [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of obreve.gif] --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 07:15:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Eskrima] Re: [Eskrima} Colonial period? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Semantics. An unorganized malitia in my opinion is also called a mob. > Unorganized and aimed toward the same goal. Well that is your opinion, and all are entitled to one. However the US Federal Code very clearly specifies otherwise. Remember that if you are living in the US then -you- are a member of that "mob", as you put it. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 20:59:57 -0700 From: Loki Jorgenson Organization: maelstrom Core To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] right to fight Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Ray - thanks for the clarification - I was actually referring to the international stage where colonial practices were applied by most of the major European powers into the 20th century. So, in that global context, the bearing of arms by the citizenry as part of a common militia, reflects a country's identity as an independent nation. As pointed at by several others with some excellent quotations, this general ward against oppression extends to internal governments as well. A very important point. My original point was primarily that the constiutional right to bear arms had a specific intention - and it was primarily aimed at oppression , typically by governments (internal and external). > > Ray wrote: > >>> It was standard practice in colonial days to prohibit >>> the bearing of arms and training in arms by the citizenry and so >>> enshrining that right constitutionally becomes a very anti-colonial >>> statement. >> >> >> > > The US colonial period? Ummm, no, that is incorrect. > > The US colonial period is defined as period the from 1600 to 1775. The > bearing of arms and training in same was encouraged (for males) and > even required if you ventured very far from the limits of the few > small towns and cities that existed in North American during this time > period. > > NYC was the largest town in what became the US, and it only had a > population > of ~20,000 in 1775. > > Ray Terry > rterry@idiom.com > -- maelstrom \ Loki Jorgenson martial _ \ Pekiti-Tirsia kali loki@maelstromcore.com arts / O_/ Dog Brothers MA www.maelstromcore.com \ Inosanto Academy (604) 250-4642 \ silat Jati Wisesa -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 7/28/2005 --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 11:51:46 -0500 From: Steve Ames To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: [Eskrima} Colonial period? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net On Fri, Jul 29, 2005 at 09:49:36AM -0400, Ken Borowiec/Rudolph Research Analytical wrote: > As for the cost of guns and availability I could not find proof of my > statement. All I found was people having different opinions. I had heard it > on the history channel I believe but I have no proof so I retract that > statement. a few years ago people started accepting that as a fact after Michael Bellesiles published "Arming America: The Origins of a National Gun Culture". The book was very well praised by media and "gun-control" advocates. He even won an award from Columbia University for his historical research. Then it came out that his research methodology was flawed. Some if it he jumpted to conclusions. Other parts he just made up. Tasty. Most of the bad research surrounded probate records and really made up a very small portion of the book and really didn't affect the premise or conculsuion, but it was enough to smear it in the publics mind, lose him that award and cause him to resign from Emory. The truth? It all pretty anectotoal. Records are scarce. We do know that during/after the revolution the US government (or what would become the US government) actively put guns into the hands of people and didn't take them back. So the cost issue is somewhat shaky. -steve --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Ken Borowiec/Rudolph Research Analytical" To: Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: [Eskrima} Colonial period? Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 13:05:41 -0400 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I going to make it clear, I'm not trying to bust your chops. Here's my question If a terrorist is caught on the street with explosives and all the people around jump and beat him to death. will it be considered that an unorganized malitia beat him to death or a mob? Kenny ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray" To: "Eskrima" Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 10:15 AM Subject: [Eskrima] Re: [Eskrima} Colonial period? >> Semantics. An unorganized malitia in my opinion is also called a mob. >> Unorganized and aimed toward the same goal. > > Well that is your opinion, and all are entitled to one. However the US > Federal Code very clearly specifies otherwise. > > Remember that if you are living in the US then -you- are a member of that > "mob", as you put it. > > Ray Terry > rterry@idiom.com > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 10 From: Kaliman33@aol.com Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 14:33:57 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Kamagong and DVD's Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi I have Kamagong sticks, very dark and dense, one of my students parents live in the philipines and sends them, also if anyone is interested level 6 of my panantukan silat combatives dvd was just released and i just did a complete sumbrada dvd which includes 3 counts, 5 counts, fakes, stop hits, 1/2 beats, and alot more, if interetsted e-mail _kaliman33@aol.com_ (mailto:kaliman33@aol.com) Thanks Marc halleck --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 11:41:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Wylie Mitchell To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: TJ reid panantuken in san antonio (guro marsh) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net webmaster: I misspelled the link I provide,please use this submission, thank you! Hello TJ Reid, If you cannot find Mike Blackgrave down in San Antonio, you might contact Guru Raymond Crow at www.crowsmartialarts.com, over in Dallas, he is the man to talk to in Texas to find out about anybody near San Antonio. Also, I use Ebay.com for weapons and equipment purchases in finding good sticks of any make(bulk lots, ect.)and people all over the world sell Filipino swords/sheilds,etc. take a look! I hope I was help to you. Wylie Mitchell, TMAA --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest