Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 03:03:19 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 12 #261 - 10 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Re: [Eskrima} Colonial period? (Ken Borowiec/Rudolph Research Analytical) 2. Re: ED-V12.259 - Colonial Period (Bart Hubbard) 3. FMA in Anchorage, Alaska? (Verzejd@aol.com) 4. Re: Re: [Eskrima} Colonial period? (Ray) 5. Re: Re: [Eskrima} Colonial period? (Ray) 6. Re: Re: [Eskrima} Colonial period? (Djinji Brown) 7. Kali sticks with carved design or no? (Kim Brooks Wei) 8. Kali sticks with carved design or no? (Kim Brooks Wei) 9. Re: Kali sticks with carved design or no? (A. Van Meter) 10. trim your emails, please (Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Ken Borowiec/Rudolph Research Analytical" To: Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: [Eskrima} Colonial period? Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 15:24:59 -0400 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > The truth? It all pretty anectotoal. Records are scarce. We do know that > during/after the revolution the US government (or what would become the > US government) actively put guns into the hands of people and didn't take > them back. So the cost issue is somewhat shaky. Steve, That is the exact facts that made me retract that statement. I think it was a show that used his information that I was basing that statement on. Kenny --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 12:42:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Bart Hubbard To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: ED-V12.259 - Colonial Period Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hey there, Using the US colonial period in North America as an example, in terms of perspective, that of the Filipino would be more aligned with that of the Native American. In the US "colonial" period it was very common for one of European descent to be able to bear arms, but there were many efforts to take away the weapons of the Native Americans. Pacification is one of the terms that was coined for that practice. The various European powers used some Native American tribes to assist in the pacification of other tribes deemed "hostile". So it was by no means a blanket policy to remove weapons from Native Americans until the late 1800's. But to say that Native Americans enjoyed the same rights as Europeans in terms of arms during the colonial period would be a misstatement at the least. A Spaniard strolling the streets of Manila could carry a sword or pistol for sure, but for a native Filipino, that would be out of the question for those of any social class but the highest and even then subject to close scrutiny. The US Administration of the Philippines though was much more lenient in terms of the use of arms after the end of the Filipino American War/Philippine Insurrection. The swords, guns, and sticks were pretty much allowed as long as the people weren't known criminals. The interest there wasn't so much in supression of rebellion but more in that of public safety. Just my thoughts. Be Cool. Bart Hubbard Capital Doce Pares www.capitaldocepares.com --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Verzejd@aol.com Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 15:44:48 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] FMA in Anchorage, Alaska? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Please make your recommendations. Thanks. Eric --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: [Eskrima} Colonial period? To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 13:09:40 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > If a terrorist is caught on the street with explosives and all the people > around jump and beat him to death. will it be considered that an unorganized > malitia beat him to death or a mob? They'd probably just be called very brave upstanding people that did the right thing. But in the US they would be the militia, even tho they and the mainstream media would likely be unaware of that fact. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: [Eskrima} Colonial period? To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 13:13:16 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > The truth? It all pretty anectotoal. Records are scarce. We do know that > during/after the revolution the US government (or what would become the > US government) actively put guns into the hands of people and didn't take > them back. So the cost issue is somewhat shaky. What evidence do you have that the Crown and then later the US government actively put guns into the hands of the people? The militia members had to provide their own weapons, which of course they already had in order to live, hunt and defend themselves. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 14:24:15 -0700 From: Djinji Brown To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: [Eskrima} Colonial period? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net On Friday, July 29, 2005, at 12:21PM, Ken Borowiec/Rudolph Research Analytical wrote: >I going to make it clear, I'm not trying to bust your chops. Here's my >question > >If a terrorist is caught on the street with explosives and all the people >around jump and beat him to death. will it be considered that an unorganized >malitia beat him to death or a mob? > > >Kenny thats a great question / point. its like if person A knows person B is about to kill or do him or her serious harm and that person A in defense strikes first..is that acting premeditative or instinctual? I think the human race shares a collective consciousness that at times acts in concert in the moment, as well we know the collective consciousness (the people defending themselves in this case and their shared emotions) can be organized in stragetgies of defense. I guess it all depends on the situation and the moment. words can at time clear things up, other times they just add more shades of gray, and thats what keeps open discussion so important. keep on questioning. Brown >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ray" >To: "Eskrima" >Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 10:15 AM >Subject: [Eskrima] Re: [Eskrima} Colonial period? > > >>> Semantics. An unorganized malitia in my opinion is also called a mob. >>> Unorganized and aimed toward the same goal. >> >> Well that is your opinion, and all are entitled to one. However the US >> Federal Code very clearly specifies otherwise. >> >> Remember that if you are living in the US then -you- are a member of that >> "mob", as you put it. >> >> Ray Terry >> rterry@idiom.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members >> Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >> Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >> Standard disclaimers apply >> http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 18:39:26 -0400 From: Kim Brooks Wei To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Kali sticks with carved design or no? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net People, I'm purchasing my first set of Kali sticks. I will only be sparring with them. I need to decide whether it is preferable to buy sticks which have a carved design on the "handle" area or not. A known drawback to carvings on sticks is that they may cause callouses. Can anyone share some thoughts with me about this matter which may help me understand the pros and cons better? Thanks, ~ Kimi -- Kim Brooks Wei kimbwei.com V +1. 201.475.1854 mailto:kimi@kimbwei.com --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 20:55:11 -0400 From: Kim Brooks Wei To: Escrima Subject: [Eskrima] Kali sticks with carved design or no? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net People, I'm purchasing my first set of Kali sticks. I will only be sparring with them. I need to decide whether it is preferable to buy sticks which have a carved design on the "handle" area or not. A known drawback to carvings on sticks is that they may cause callouses. Can anyone share some thoughts with me about this matter which may help me understand the pros and cons better? Thanks, ~ Kimi -- Kim Brooks Wei kimbwei.com V +1. 201.475.1854 mailto:kimi@kimbwei.com --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 18:08:17 -0700 From: "A. Van Meter" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Kali sticks with carved design or no? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > A known drawback to carvings on sticks is that they may cause callouses. I think it all depends on whether callouses are actually that big of a problem to you. I actually appreciate the callouses I've developed on my hands now, because they help me maintain my grip. If you have some investment in keeping yours hands soft, then maybe it's a bad idea. You could try thicker sticks. You don't develope callouses from them as you would with a regular stick, and they make you strengthen your grip. --__--__-- Message: 10 From: Ray To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 18:12:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Eskrima] trim your emails, please Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members > >> Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > >> Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > >> Standard disclaimers apply > >> http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > >_______________________________________________ > >Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members > >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > >Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > >Standard disclaimers apply > >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Folks, please remember to trim/truncate your emails to the list before sending. 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