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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2200 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: re: stick fighting videos (Daniel Arola) 2. RE: Re: Eskrima blog entry Richard Killlick (Kit Lok) 3. stickfighting clips (jason couture) 4. knife wrestling (noirpalm) 5. RE: Grappling and ol Red Dog (Marc MacYoung) 6. grappling and knives (T Reed) 7. Scooby do, where are you? (Marc Denny) 8. Re: stick fighting videos (Marc MacYoung) 9. Bootleg FMA DVDs (sierraecho1@comcast.net) 10. Arnis grandmaster Tanique dies at 72 (Ray) 11. Re: Arnis grandmaster Tanique dies at 72 (George Mason) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 15:01:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel Arola Subject: Re: [Eskrima] re: stick fighting videos To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I agree, Karol. Get the real thing. Get the DBMA series. Even in spite of today's gas prices, the DBMA dvd/video series are damn well worth it! Daniel Arola Fayetteville, NC http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DAMAG_Kali_Stickfighting Karol Krauser wrote: greetings, Hey my friend if you are going to ask for uhmmm "back up / bootlegged videos" you might want to do it more discretly. Some of the people on here actually produce DVDs and videos as a source of income as well as providing a great service to the rest of us in the process. If you get a chance watch the intro to "Marc Crafty Dog Dennys" Kali Tudo, it gives you a different perspective things. Also for package deals there original DBMA series has a ton of great stuff and "real fights" the price that you will pay for that is about the same as doing a few twenty mile commmutes a week at todays gas prices. All the best K Krauser __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Kit Lok" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Re: Eskrima blog entry Richard Killlick Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 23:39:59 +0000 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Thanks for the kind comments Richard, I shall pass my regards to Guro Krishna,next time we see him. Thanks Kit >From: "Richard Killlick" >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >To: >Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Eskrima blog entry >Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 20:21:10 +0100 > >Very nice to see Kit, wish I had a blog when I started. All the best in >your training and please give my regards to Guro Krishna. > > >>Subject: [Eskrima] Hi all new Eskrima blog entry and what good books are >>there on >>Eskrima? >>Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >> >>Hi All >> >>Thanks to all those people that have viewed my blogsite. I wrote an >>article >>about why I do Martial Arts and Eskrima in general and posted some photos >>of >>my brother and myself practicing >>You can see this on >>http://kittomainia.blogspot.com/ >> >>Please can anyone recommend any good Eskrima books? I have several but >>wondered if I missed any great ones people in this newsgroup have read? >> >>Thanks again >> >>Kit >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 17:05:15 -0700 (PDT) From: jason couture To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] stickfighting clips Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net This is for the guy looking for stickfighting clips to show his brother. Go to DAMAG_kali_stickfighting@yahoogroups.com. Hope you find what you're after. -J **JASON COUTURE** ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 18:05:00 -0700 (PDT) From: noirpalm To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] knife wrestling Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net So what is the point/ general concensus on somehow you end up wrestling/ struggling/ clinched with someone who has a knife? other than you die --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Marc MacYoung" To: Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 19:04:18 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] RE: Grappling and ol Red Dog Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > From: <1@msfencing.org> > So basically, being able to use his knife in a grappling situation is what > saved Red Dog's victim from a serious beating. Sounds like it's a good > idea > to learn to use your knife in all situations, including clinches, holds, > and > other various grappling positions. Ummmm no... Quite frankly, because it was a flat-out fight, not a life and death situation (head locks combined with punches are seldom fatal) the knifing was not a warranted use of force. Don't even begin to tell yourself it was because that is NOT what the courts or the cops would have ruled either. You're comment about it being a "good idea" is exactly that kind of thinking though that resulted in Dawg getting stabbed and -- had the guy been caught -- would have resulted in him being charged (and in all likelihood, convicted) for assault with a deadly weapon or attempted murder. The guy was losing a fight -- that he had participated in and help create -- and he escalated it by stabbing Dawg. That's how such events are normally looked upon by cops/courts and why people who want to learn how to use knives believe they can be convicted for "attempted self-defense." It wasn't self-defense. It was losing a fight. BIG DIFFERENCE. While using a knife to prevent having to take your whupping like a man might seem like a reasonable idea, I'd like to point to Ping Wilson AND the infamous smoking ban/dead bouncer/kali training/murder conviction. Both of whom claimed it was self-defense. In the last, if it hadn't had been such a well trained strike (and some other stuff that Isaias Umali obviously picked up about how to get away with his crime) it would have been far more arguable that it was self-defense. Add to that the fact that the two guys who started the "smoking ban" fight were in the wrong and it was two against one when the Umali stabbed Blake -- who was doing his job). Even Ping Wilson got convicted -- partly -- because of his actions that lead to the altercation. Yes, he was getting smacked down for what he had said, but killing someone over it often doesn't stand up in court. Be careful about what you think is good training ideas because often the Even-A-Bad-Theory-Is-Better-Than-No-Theory-In-A-Theoretical-Crisis-So-Let's-Use-That-Excuse-To-Promote-A-Bad-Theory kind of thinking is a great way to train yourself to get raped in prison if you use these "good ideas." M --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 20:13:23 -0700 (PDT) From: T Reed To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] grappling and knives Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Just an opinion, but if you are weaponless, the person with the knife has the outright advantage. If you don't knock them out or disarm them or run away you are going to get cut. If that person doesn't know any type of martial art and has a knife then the odds of beating them goes up slightly ( they still have a knife ). If that person knows how to handle themselves then the best option is to either find an escape route or find yourself a weapon to even things out. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Marc Denny" To: Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 20:48:17 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Scooby do, where are you? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Phats: I also am in the LA area and I sometimes travel to the Covina area and I have some backups of DB stickfighting. Give me your address and I will be glad to drop by. Marc > -- __--__-- > > Message: 10 > From: PHATK98@aol.com > Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 13:23:56 EDT > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Subject: [Eskrima] stick fighting videos > Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > Does anyone have any videos of actual fighting? my brother wants to see an > actual stick fight and I dont want to pay for a full price. If anyone have > a > DVD of maybe the dog brothers or anytype of actual stick fighting I am > willing > to buy a "back up" dvd because it would be soo much cheaper. I have a > paypal > account so I can pay with that alo so you can guarantee that the money is > there before you ,mail the items. please let me know > > if you know any stick fighting schools around the west covina/ covina in > the > southern california that would be great also. I dont want to have to > travel > 20 miles just to train. please let me know thank you > > > -- __--__-- > > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > http://eskrima-fma.net > Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima > > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com > Standard disclaimers apply. > Remember September 11. > > End of Eskrima Digest --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Marc MacYoung" To: Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 05:29:10 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: stick fighting videos Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >>actual stick fight and I dont want to pay for a full price. If anyone have >>a >>DVD of maybe the dog brothers or anytype of actual stick fighting I am >>willing >>to buy a "back up" dvd because it would be soo much cheaper. I have a >>paypal > > Buy the real thing. Buying/selling a backup is illegal. > Ray Terry And of course there is always e-bay. A place where you can get all kinds of otherwise expensive DVDs/tapes for real cheap. M --__--__-- Message: 9 From: sierraecho1@comcast.net To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 00:13:50 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Bootleg FMA DVDs Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Buying, and especially asking for bootleg copies of something is really so uncool. This is where a live, flesh and blood Guro would come in handy vs. the DVDs so he could kick your butt for thinking of hair-brained schemes. A martial artist is concerned with things that genuinely work and should want to pay recognition if not royalties to the person whose original ideas they are assimilating or studying. Most of these DVDs aren't that expensive. Also, you get what you pay for. Someone should set up a paypal site to sell bootlegs and then send a DVD of those stick figure fighters dancing around doing the robot and hitting each other. Stickfighting yeah....Be an original. Be Genuine. You'll get more chicks. Henry in DC Stay sticky. --__--__-- Message: 10 From: Ray To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 19:10:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Eskrima] Arnis grandmaster Tanique dies at 72 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Arnis grandmaster Tanique dies at 72 GRANDMASTER Bernandino Gallamo Tanique of Tanique Arnis and Combat Club (TACC) passed away last August 14, 2005 in Granada, Bacolod City due to a long standing illness. He was 72. Born in 1933, Tanique began training in arnis (espada y daga format) under his uncle, Marcos Garcia when he was 14 and started teaching seven years later. He had studied arnis under four professors, all of whom specialized in espada y daga. Tanique had taught arnis in Granada and Bantayan, Kabankalan City among other places and together with other Bacolod arnis grandmasters, taught five foreigners, including Krishna Godhania of the UK, at the invitation of Grandmaster Abner Pasa of Cebu City (balintok escrima) in 2002 in Badyan, Matutina, just outside of Cebu. GM Tanique is a nephew of yaming Grandmaster Fortunato "Atong" Garcia and the godfather and teacher of trese grabes piga-piga system Grandmaster Felix A. Guinabo. GM Tanique has nine children, all of whom learned arnis from him. The most active are Grandmaster Gilber and Arman Tanique. Meanwhile, GM Tanique's elder brother, Grandmaster Timoteo Tanique aslo passed away last Aug. 15, 2005. Their remains were laid to rest at the Granada Cemetery. --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 22:56:19 -0400 (EDT) From: George Mason To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Arnis grandmaster Tanique dies at 72 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net It is very sad to hear of the passing of any of our martial brothers. I am sure he will be greatly missed. I will offer a prayer for his family. Geo the Bear ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest