Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 03:00:49 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 12 #292 - 8 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2200 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Whip (Steve Kohn) 2. use of deadly force (Ray) 3. Re: Re: stick fighting videos (WoodyTX) 4. videos (Jon Broster) 5. Re: knife wrestling (WoodyTX) 6. RE: use of deadly force (Mitch McKee) 7. RE: Grappling and ol Red Dog (Marc MacYoung) 8. NETRIX STUDIOS SITE (Nelson Trinidad) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 12:55:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Kohn Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Whip To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Looking forward to the Sayoc's material. I've heard that they are quite proficient in their whip work. -Steve Kohn Steven Lefebvre wrote: Hello Guys, Anthony Delongis whip material is very well detailed. I haven't read the new book from Mr. Meadows yet, but have it ordered and ready in the stack to complete! Stay tuned for the Sayoc Whip video which will introduce you to the Sayoc Kali version of whip work. Gumagalang Guro Steve L. www.Bujinkandojo.net _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Ray To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 14:33:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Eskrima] use of deadly force Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > The jury took very little time to find the shooter innocent on the > basis of self defense. Right. All(?) you need to do in most situations is to convince the AD (or jury) that a reasonable person would have felt that their life was in danger. The use of deadly force is then viewed as warranted, and rightfully so... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 17:12:17 -0500 From: WoodyTX To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: stick fighting videos Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net And some of them are actually the original media, and not copies or "backups". :-) Woody On 8/28/05, Marc MacYoung wrote: > And of course there is always e-bay. A place where you can get all kinds of > otherwise expensive DVDs/tapes for real cheap. > > M --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 23:18:53 +0100 (BST) From: Jon Broster To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] videos Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi, With regard to training videos, there are reviews of lots of videos & books on my site at : http://www.pecahan.net I have not updated for a while now,but I recently saw some of Ron Balicki's stuff on DVD and really enjoyed them. Jon "There's nothing more dangerous than a blunt knife" http://www.pecahan.net --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 17:27:06 -0500 From: WoodyTX To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] knife wrestling Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net This is what Sun Tzu would call 'desperate ground': "On depsperate ground, fight." Some may differ, but I would focus on the blade. I know I might take some shots, but I can survive punches, kicks, and knees. I might not survive the blade. Once the blade is controlled or neutralized, focus on doing enough damage to get the hell away from there. Woody's #1 response on confrontations with a knife: Run if at all possible. Neither your pride nor your money are worth it. If you're in a "can't flee" situation (i.e. home invasion, loved ones endangered, etc), get another weapon. Preferably one with a large caliber or gauge, and don't stop until you are 100% positive that the threat is eliminated. Woody On 8/27/05, noirpalm wrote: > So what is the point/ general concensus on somehow you end up wrestling/ struggling/ clinched with someone who has a knife? other than you die --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Mitch McKee" To: Subject: RE: [Eskrima] use of deadly force Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 22:18:24 -0400 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Rule one: Say nothing but "I had to stop him, he was going to kill me." Rule two: Hire a good lawyer. Rule three: Start again at Rule One. ;-) Strider -----Original Message----- From: Ray [mailto:rterry@idiom.com] Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 5:33 PM To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] use of deadly force > The jury took very little time to find the shooter innocent on the > basis of self defense. Right. All(?) you need to do in most situations is to convince the AD (or jury) that a reasonable person would have felt that their life was in danger. The use of deadly force is then viewed as warranted, and rightfully so... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Marc MacYoung" To: Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 21:42:54 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] RE: Grappling and ol Red Dog Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > So you are saying they were playing around? > Sounds very childish to me. No I'm saying it was a consensual fight. It was two guys in a sleazy bar who got into it. Red Dog had gained the advantage, had the guy in a headlock and was punching him in the face. They were both still on their feet. It's called a fight...which is considered by many people to be rather stupid to begin with. Come to think of it...isn't it also illegal? > If anyone attacks me and puts me in a head lock I will consider it a life > and death situation since I wont have any way of knowing their full > intent. It may come as a surprise to you but it is possible to get in a physical confrontation without dying. It's called losing a fight...I've done it on several occassions. I've also won one or two without killing my opponents. Escalating it to a lethal force event just to keep from losing a fight isn't real smart. Quite frankly, I don't give a rat's ass on your definition of self-defense. That is not what you will be judged by. In court, the only definition of self-defense that matters is the courts. It's up to you meet their standards on using lethal force, not to make up your own. If you don't want to learn those standards, then you had better be good at hiding the bodies and intimidating witnesses. Now I know that Ray and many others on this list have gone on about how a "good" FMA instructor makes sure he includes teaching information about judicious use of lethal force when teaching blade arts, but apparently their advice hasn't reached your neck of the woods yet. Maybe they'd be kind enough to say to you what they have told me on several occassions when this subject has come up. > They will most certainly get the knife or worse regardless of legalities and > technicalities. So you're saying anytime you feel threatened you'll stab people? >The attacker deserves what he gets. And you are qualified to determine what someone deserves by what divine gift? If not through divine revelation then by what widely recognized standards do you judge who lives or dies? I mean that's what you're talking about so cavalierly about...the possibility of taking a human life. Or do you just base it on your emotional decision at the time? And in that case, since that is pretty much the same standards that many murderers and criminals use, would you be so kind to explain to me why and how what you're doing is different than how a murderer determines who lives and dies? >That level of force crap > is just that, crap. I know a lot of people who went to prison who would disagree with you. >At least that's what local law enforcement have told me. Funny, I know a number of police officers who have been sued who no longer take that approach. Come to think of it, I know a couple of expert witnesses on use of force for their departments. But obviously the officers you're talking to have high respect for their departmental policies. Course, I'd be interested in seeing if the District Attorney of your parish feels the same way. You might want to toodle over and ask him about it before you go sticking steel into anyone. > Of course I live in Mississippi where we take a more practical approach to > things. And while I now live in Colorado with the "Make my day law," I'm originally from California and I spent some time in places like NY, MA and NJ. Where they take a slightly different view. They don't understand the "needed killing defense." But last time I checked even Mississippi has some kind of legal standards that differeniates between self-defense and aggravated assault. Again, a chat with your local DA might be worth your time. > Take your whipping like a man? That's the silliest thing I've ever heard! Actually I came to the conclusion a long time ago that many people are seeking the holy grail of "how to fight without being hurt." This attitude is especially prevalent in dojos, academies and SD schools. Now if you're talking about silly things, let's talk about that. If you fight, you're going to get hurt. More over, if you fight, you're going to lose, sometimes a lot, sometimes a little, but lose you will -- especially if you are playing with the big boys. Their ain't no guarantees. That's both the danger and the cost of being involved in violence. But, since you seem to know so much about what is and what isn't realistic about fighting and violence, let me ask you a question. What the hell are you doing fighting if you aren't willing to lose or take pain/damage? 'Cause face it, if you're so hairless about just getting punched in the face that you'd stab someone, y'alls in the wrong business. You're gonna get hurt in physical altercations. You gotta take it as a cost of the biz and still do what is appropriate. If you don't want to pay that price, then don't play that game. Come to think of it, if you think that by having training you can avoid paying that price you're in for a rude awakening. Especially if your training encourages such things as stabbing someone for only punching you in the face. So here's the real question, are you a) willing to kill someone just to keep from losing a fight. Remembering that most fights don't end up being lethal for the loser, then why? And then Pierre chimed in > You can be as pedantic as you wish, Marc. I really don't care. Pierre, I'd like to introduce you to Master of Arms Rez Johnson...you two might have a lot to talk about since you apparently have some similar views about investigating the complexities of violence. Have fun guys... M --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Nelson Trinidad" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Cc: arniste@hotmail.com, nelson@netrixstudios.com Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 01:54:15 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] NETRIX STUDIOS SITE Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Howdy you all, I had a pleasure to be a part of the PG Hufana`s WFMA which was held at Anaheim Coast Hotel by Disneyland in Anaheim, CA.I had interviews some well known GrandMasters and Masters of the Filipino Martial Arts especially the promoter of the WFMA PG Hufana.These interviews will be shown on cable t.v.(Martial Arts Entertaiment) date to be determined or please check ``www.netrixstudios.com`` for more informations. NETRIX STUDIOS will do all events and provide filming,editing,producing and transfering any formats.We also teach FMA please visit : www.combatarnis.com Our equipments are far out of this world to name a few: Panasonic DV200( large DV), Canon XL1(mini DV),Overhead Boom Tripod and Dimage A2 (photos). So stay on guard and more power to the FMA................. Nelson"PinoyKowboy"Trinidad Sr. Chief Instructor / OverAll Director Combat Arnis Tabak Society(CATSociety) NETRIX STUDIOS --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest