Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 03:00:50 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 12 #302 - 4 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2200 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Surviving Edged Weapons (Daniel Arola) 2. RE: One last law question. (Mike Casto) 3. (no subject) (howard@one.net) 4. RE: One last law question. (Steve Kohn) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 14:44:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel Arola Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Surviving Edged Weapons To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I agree wholeheartedly with Steve! That old classic of a video should be HIGHLY RECOMENDED and would make a person find appreciation of their own personal safety and even more respect for the blade. Until then, people are still ranting about hat they don't really know about when it comes to dealing with the knife. Daniel Arola Fayetteville, NC http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DAMAG_Kali_Stickfighting Steve Kohn wrote: I agree with your stance on accountability. I've heard many gun people say "if someone pulls a knife on me, I'll just shoot 'em". Sound familiar? I don't know the law too well, but that seems like it would be very close to the empty hand against knife argument. Clearly those guys never saw "Surviving Edged Weapons". The knife aginst gun scene was one hell of an eye-opener! -S Marc MacYoung wrote: Steve said > Let me just be clear in that I absolutely believe that it's an insanely > dangerous thing to allow any FMA student to >think that by doing static > drills, he is in any way equipped to handle a real knife fight...or any > fight really. I don't. >To be very honest, If I didn't like the attributes > one can develop from knife drills, I'd be extremely hesitant to ever > >teach knife as I'd hate to be responsible for what could be a potentially > fatal false sense of security. It's shameful >behavior to market such a > thing to the general public. Okay, before we even get to whether or not said drills will work to save you against a knifer. Let's take a step back and look at the trouble you can get into before that. Gun folks "train for success." Safety protocols for handling, cleaning and being on the range, (hopefully) prevent accidental discharges. Taining on when you are justified to pull the trigger is a big issue these days. Additional training on handling the court cases is also availible. That's what comes from when you pull the trigger... there will be results. My question is, since a) a knife is also considered a lethal force weapon and b) even a poorly swung blade will cut flesh, why hasn't the same idea of "training for success" come into the blade world? A knife will cut flesh. My concern is not whether or not training drills will fail in the face of a committed and lethal attack, that's still miles down the road. Right now we got ourselves an axle breaking pothole right in front of us. And that is: Those drills will still work in unwarranted circumstances That blade combined with your training WILL cut -- justified or not. What are both a far greater, and a more likely, dangers to you than your opponent, is YOUR fear, adrenalin, over-reaction, panick, those training drills and the refusal to learn counterbalancing factors (like when you are justified to strike). You freak out and swing a blade too soon and you got a world of trouble. Putting that in the simple English: The greatest danger to you isn't the other dude, it's you. My point has never been that the FMA don't work, it's that they do. Which is one hell of a responsibility. Now personally where I get scared is when I hear people arguing about why they aren't going to pick up that responsibility for all kinds of reasons. M _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Mike Casto" To: Subject: RE: [Eskrima] One last law question. Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 19:47:40 -0400 Organization: I.M.P.A.C.T. Academy of Martial Arts Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Oh yeah. I guess he did say something like that on occasion, didn't he? I always think of Jeff Goldblum because he said it in every episode of 10speed & Brown Shoes (at least every episode that I remember). Mike -----Original Message----- From: Chris Seals [mailto:cseals@uci.edu] Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 5:29 PM To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [Eskrima] One last law question. Barney Fife (sp?)deputy on the Andy Griffith show -----Original Message----- From: Mike Casto [mailto:sikal@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 2:16 PM To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [Eskrima] One last law question. The show was "10 Speed & Brown Shoes" and the character in question was played by Jeff Goldblum. It was actually in 1980. Unless a similar line was used in something earlier, this is most likely the source and the quote you gave was almost exactly what Goldblum used to say. The show only ran for a very brief time but it was a good series and very funny. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Felipe Jocano [mailto:labsica64@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 4:16 AM To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] One last law question. TJ, I knew a boxer who is in the Air > Force > and he said he had to be registerd as a lethal weapon. > > Ask to see his registration papers. :-) That should be fun. :-) Seriously, this particular urban legend goes back to the 1960s. The product of some silly TV show so I understand. The line goes, "I'm warning you, my hands are registered as deadly weapons." Don't ask me what show it was as it was before my time :-). You can see how it spun over the years. Bot ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Attend the 7th Annual Design-Build Symposium on Thursday, September 29, 2005. Register online at http://www.designbuildsymposium.uci.edu _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 20:25:55 -0400 (EDT) From: howard@one.net To: Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Cc: "ground and" Subject: [Eskrima] (no subject) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I’ll add a little bit on what I posted before. You stated about how hard it can be to get up. Are we talking about fighting someone with some knowledge of fighting on the ground OR someone who has always had/used his knife as their advantage over who they were up against? Most that think of the knife as their PRIMARY weapon may/maynot have much experience on the ground. Again check out some of Marc’s tapes (no I have not even meet/know him just what I’ve bought) or Payton Quinton??? (help Marc). As an eye opener, it’s been awhile since I’ve seen the tape but Payton had a tape that in his demo he did a 360 deg turn in front of the camera and no knives were openly visible then just standing in front of the camera he started pulling knives out from everywhere using both hands dropping the knife and pulling out another knife very quickly. He went through at least 10 knifes this way really quick without getting into any weird positions. The thing he wanted to get across was that if you are up against someone with a knife and you HAPPEN to get the disarm of the knife you SEE the fight may not always be over be ready for more. Howard Wilson --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 18:27:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Kohn Subject: RE: [Eskrima] One last law question. To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I think that's where I saw it too. He had to be good with his hands as having one bullet can only get you so far. Who knew there was pangamut in Mayberry? I figured you had to go to at least Mount Pilot for that sorta thing. -Steve Chris Seals wrote: Barney Fife (sp?)deputy on the Andy Griffith show -----Original Message----- From: Mike Casto [mailto:sikal@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 2:16 PM To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [Eskrima] One last law question. The show was "10 Speed & Brown Shoes" and the character in question was played by Jeff Goldblum. It was actually in 1980. Unless a similar line was used in something earlier, this is most likely the source and the quote you gave was almost exactly what Goldblum used to say. The show only ran for a very brief time but it was a good series and very funny. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Felipe Jocano [mailto:labsica64@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 4:16 AM To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] One last law question. TJ, I knew a boxer who is in the Air > Force > and he said he had to be registerd as a lethal weapon. > > Ask to see his registration papers. :-) That should be fun. :-) Seriously, this particular urban legend goes back to the 1960s. The product of some silly TV show so I understand. The line goes, "I'm warning you, my hands are registered as deadly weapons." Don't ask me what show it was as it was before my time :-). You can see how it spun over the years. Bot ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Attend the 7th Annual Design-Build Symposium on Thursday, September 29, 2005. 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