Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 17:34:54 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 12 #303 - 10 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2200 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Texas kali Mastery Camp 2005 Reminder (TKMC) 2. Books to recommend and updated blog (Kit Lok) 3. Re: Surviving Edged Weapons (Marc MacYoung) 4. re: "ground and" (Marc MacYoung) 5. Re: Re: Surviving Edged Weapons (Steve Kohn) 6. Re: Re: Surviving Edged Weapons (WoodyTX) 7. tenspeed and brownshoe (noirpalm) 8. Re: tenspeed and brownshoe (Steve Kohn) 9. Re: tenspeed and brownshoe (Andrew Maddox) 10. RE: tenspeed and brownshoe (Mike Casto) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "TKMC" To: Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 23:36:29 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] Texas kali Mastery Camp 2005 Reminder Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Greetings, The Texas Kali Association would like to remind you of our up coming event, the Texas Kali Mastery Camp on October 14-16, 2005. The camp website is up (http://camp.texaskali.org/) and contains the following information: * Camp Information (overview, goals, schedule, and accommodations) * Instructor Bios * Registration information * Printable Documentation * And much, much more * This year we plan to introduce the lugod (Filipino karambit) which is a small sickle shaped blade that began as a tool, but is now favored as a weapon. Texas Kali Mastery Camp Invitation video http://www.texaskali.org/video.htm If you have not attended this event in the past this video will give you an idea of some of the training we go through at the camp. Space is limited so be certain to register in advance. September 14, 2005 is the last day for advance registration. A discount will be offered to all who register by this date. Please feel free to pass this information to any Filipino Martial Arts enthusiasts that may be interested. If you have any questions about the camp, please email your questions to kalicamp@texaskali.org. Also, be sure to check the "updates " section within the Camp website. This page will display the latest information regarding the camp. Thank you for your time and we hope to see you this year at the Texas Kali Mastery Camp. Regards, Texas Kali Association (TKA) kalicamp@texaskali.org (Email) http://www.texaskali.org (TKA website) http://camp.texaskali.org (Texas Kali Mastery Camp website) --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Kit Lok" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 13:59:49 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Books to recommend and updated blog Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi all I like to thank all that viewed my blog,I have updated it again with an article paying tribute to my JKD/Eskrima instructors. Please check back tomorrow as well as I am going to blog about my Eskrima lesson tonight http://kittomainia.blogspot.com/ However I would like to recommend a book called Filipino Martial Culture Mark V. Wiley I am reading it at the moment and finding it fascinating. Has anyone read similar books or could please recommend one? Thanks Kit --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Marc MacYoung" To: Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 10:14:38 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Surviving Edged Weapons Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Steve Kohn wrote: > I agree with your stance on accountability. I've heard many gun people say > "if someone pulls a knife on me, I'll just shoot 'em". Sound familiar? I > don't know the law too well, but that seems like it would be very close to > the empty hand against knife argument. Not really. The Tueller drill is a well known argument in legal circles. It is the idea that a person with a knife can close upwards to 21 feet in the time it takes to draw and fire a gun. Kind of an important point when you are talking about having an 8" kitchen knife planted in your chest in exchange for putting a bullet in his/hers. This is a big point in law enforcement circles because unless the officer's vest has trauma plates a knife will punch through. (I've demonstrated both while teaching. It doesn't make cops happy to have this vulnerablity demonstrated). The question about shooting someone with a knife farther than 10 feet usually boils down to was the guy brandishing or charging? While the much-spouted Bubba comment "Ah'd jes chute 'im" about a knifer is still pogo-sticking into a legal morass, using a weapon against a weapon tends to have firmer ground than using a weapon against an unarmed person without specific circumstances. (BTW Woody, the Texas shooting of an unarmed person who ran up to the car, could reasonably be justified in light of how carjackings are committed. Those are the kinds of specific circumstances that will be considered. I seriously doubt he would have been acquitted if he'd shot the guy in a Burger King for tapping him on the shoulder...even in Texas). The big problem is shooting while the guy is brandishing instead of charging. This in light of the fact that a good argument can often be made that the one brandishing the weapon was you...especially if you were arguing with the guy. The same thing applies to knives and sticks. M --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Marc MacYoung" To: Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 11:08:17 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] re: "ground and" Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Howard Wilson > Again check out some of Marc's tapes (no I have not even meet/know > him just what I've bought) or Payton Quinton??? (help Marc). Peyton Quinn. He runs RMCAT up in them thar' mountains outside Colorado Springs. As an eye > opener, it's been awhile since I've seen the tape but Payton had a tape > that in his demo he did a 360 deg turn in front of the camera and no > knives were openly visible then just standing in front of the camera he > started pulling knives out from everywhere using both hands dropping the > knife and pulling out another knife very quickly. He went through at least > 10 knifes this way really quick without getting into any weird positions. > The thing he wanted to get across was >that if you are up against someone >with a knife and you HAPPEN to get the disarm of the knife you SEE the >fight may not always be over be ready for more. I got some even worse news, some guys over at SDF forums developed a knife and carry system specifically for use against a grappler. The carry is weird until you realize it's designed for deployment under very specific circumstances. I figure about 99% of the grapplers who claim they can stop a knife from being deployed would be gutted like fish because it comes out of the very place they would put the guy's limb to keep him from pulling a conventional knife. Unless you have 100% control of both arms and hands, you're gonna get shanked. I took one look at it and started having kittens because I know one of the designers. This mutha is definately a "you'd better plan for success" because it's an invite for a homicide conviction if you use it. M --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 12:12:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Kohn Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Surviving Edged Weapons To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Points taken. -Steve Marc MacYoung wrote: > Steve Kohn wrote: > I agree with your stance on accountability. I've heard many gun people say > "if someone pulls a knife on me, I'll just shoot 'em". Sound familiar? I > don't know the law too well, but that seems like it would be very close to > the empty hand against knife argument. Not really. The Tueller drill is a well known argument in legal circles. It is the idea that a person with a knife can close upwards to 21 feet in the time it takes to draw and fire a gun. Kind of an important point when you are talking about having an 8" kitchen knife planted in your chest in exchange for putting a bullet in his/hers. This is a big point in law enforcement circles because unless the officer's vest has trauma plates a knife will punch through. (I've demonstrated both while teaching. It doesn't make cops happy to have this vulnerablity demonstrated). The question about shooting someone with a knife farther than 10 feet usually boils down to was the guy brandishing or charging? While the much-spouted Bubba comment "Ah'd jes chute 'im" about a knifer is still pogo-sticking into a legal morass, using a weapon against a weapon tends to have firmer ground than using a weapon against an unarmed person without specific circumstances. (BTW Woody, the Texas shooting of an unarmed person who ran up to the car, could reasonably be justified in light of how carjackings are committed. Those are the kinds of specific circumstances that will be considered. I seriously doubt he would have been acquitted if he'd shot the guy in a Burger King for tapping him on the shoulder...even in Texas). The big problem is shooting while the guy is brandishing instead of charging. This in light of the fact that a good argument can often be made that the one brandishing the weapon was you...especially if you were arguing with the guy. The same thing applies to knives and sticks. M _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 16:44:34 -0500 From: WoodyTX To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Surviving Edged Weapons Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Re: the Tueller drill. One officer who ran though it (in all three positions, knifer, shooter, and observer) managed to get to the target despite breaking his leg in the process. http://www.stick-and-knife.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=pa;action=print;num =1070431998 BTW, the shooting in Texas: The assailant was apparently beating the crap out of the shooter, who the jury found was justifiably afraid for his life. I believe it was in Feb of 1996, but can't dig up anything with a brief Googling. Woody --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 15:34:23 -0700 (PDT) From: noirpalm To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] tenspeed and brownshoe Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I am glad I am not the only person alive who remembers this show. --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 17:34:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Kohn Subject: Re: [Eskrima] tenspeed and brownshoe To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net You're the only other person that remembers that show. -Steve noirpalm wrote: I am glad I am not the only person alive who remembers this show. --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 20:56:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Maddox To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] tenspeed and brownshoe Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net On Fri, 2 Sep 2005, Steve Kohn wrote: > You're the only other person that remembers that show. > > noirpalm wrote: > I am glad I am not the only person alive who remembers this show. Yes, it's just you two. I swear to g-d, I have no idea what you're talking about! That show was *way* after my time. I mean, it would have been, if I had any memories of it, but I don't , of course, so... 8-) ND -- Andrew Maddox, madsox squiggle radix point net Organ transplants are best left to professionals --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Mike Casto" To: Subject: RE: [Eskrima] tenspeed and brownshoe Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 21:10:07 -0400 Organization: I.M.P.A.C.T. Academy of Martial Arts Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net LOL. Yeah. I thought I was the only one. Apparently I'm just rare instead of unique ;-) Mike -----Original Message----- From: noirpalm [mailto:noirpalm@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 6:34 PM To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] tenspeed and brownshoe I am glad I am not the only person alive who remembers this show. --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. 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