Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 03:00:34 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 12 #306 - 7 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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RE: Surviving Edged Weapons (Ken Grubb) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 08:11:12 -0700 (PDT) From: jj gayo Subject: Re: [Eskrima] "The Great Raid"movie To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hey, Just got back from the PI and I did noticed that it was showing in some of the movie theaters there, looks very interesting in terms of history part...though did'nt have enough time to watch a movie either but would also like to know about the Filipino guerilla. james John wrote: Hi All, I was wondering has anybody seen the movie "The Great Raid"?I have not seen it yet but If my memory serves me correct,i believe it was about 121 hand selected U.S troops(Rangers) who slipped behind enemy lines in the Philippines to rescue P.O.W's.My second question is was there any mention of any Filipino Guerillas involved?...and is it worth watching? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 09:24:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Wylie Mitchell To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Filipino Kali and Jun Fan Gun Fu Seminar Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello All, On Saturday, Sept 17th, in Sherman, Texas, The Texoma Martial Arts Academy will be hosting a Filipino Kali and Jun Fan Gung Fu Seminar presented by Guro Raymond Crow (Guro Crow was the first person in Texas under Guro Dan Inosanto to instruct Kali and Jun Fan).The Seminar will begin at 10am and end at 4pm (there will be an 1 hr lunch break-space is limited, so get in quick!). Price is only $45.00!! Texoma wishes to invite all that are local and interested to attend this Seminar as, they dont come around this part of Texas often! For more info, please goto: www.geocities.com/texomamartialartsacademy/ or goto: www.crowsmartialarts.com Salamat! Wylie Mitchell, TMAA __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2005 11:47:42 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: Re: [Eskrima] "The Great Raid"movie To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net The Great Raid is based on the truly excellent book, Ghost Soldiers, by journalist Hampton Sides. The book is a great read, but you should know that the film takes some definite liberties with the facts found in the book. For example, in reality, IIRC, the Allied troops encountered little resistance from the Japanese at the Cabanatuan prison camp. Still, what happened in the movie is believable, and I enjoyed it ? I don?t really expect historical accuracy at the cinema, though I am delighted when I get it! As for the role of Filipinos, they are very important in the film. Filipinos play a central part in the resistance in the Great Raid, as they did in Ghost Soldiers, and in real life. Filipino guerillas contribute to the success of the raid in a major way in reality, as they did in the film, where they are referred to as ?Alamo Scouts.? It has been a couple of years since I read Ghost Soldiers, so I don?t remember if Alamo Scouts were part of the guerilla force that aided the U.S. Rangers. It was not an over the top action adventure movie, but gritty and relatively realistic. It shows Japanese atrocities in somewhat graphic style, so those that dislike depictions of such brutality should not see the Great Raid. My wife had to cover her eyes during several scenes. For some reason the movie got poor reviews, but I think it deserved much better. I?d recommend both the movie, and the book on which it was based. And no, there was no escrima depicted in the film. Marco P.S. Check out HBO's Rome. --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Leo Daher" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2005 17:08:40 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] RE: Grappling and ol Red Dog Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Rez, good points. "Praise be that which toughens" - Nietzsche -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: <1@msfencing.org> Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net To: Subject: RE: [Eskrima] RE: Grappling and ol Red Dog Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 09:26:35 -0500 I'm without power (and a lot of other things as well) due to Katrina which was still a category two hurricane when it passed through Jackson (the town we fled to) so I haven't been able to reply and this one must be short to spare the battery in my laptop. >-----Original Message----- >From: Marc MacYoung [mailto:marcmacyoung@earthlink.net] >> So you are saying they were playing around? >> Sounds very childish to me. >No I'm saying it was a consensual fight. It was two guys in a sleazy bar >who got into it. Just as I thought. Childish. Could have been avoided. >> If anyone attacks me and puts me in a head lock I will consider it a life >> and death situation since I wont have any way of knowing their full >> intent. >It may come as a surprise to you but it is possible to get in a physical >confrontation without dying. It's called losing a fight... Obviously we are talking about two very different things, you about consensual fighting, me about a surprise attack. I don't go to bars and other places where folks tend to get into fights. I don't have the ego problem that tends to escalate minor confrontations into fights. Other than in high school, the very few times potential confrontations have occurred in my life I have simply ignored them and walked on by. So the only time in my life when I would need to fight is for self-defense not some sophomoric consensual playing around. If someone attacks me I have no way of knowing their intent. So I must assume that it is of the worst kind and stop them using whatever is available to me. This is especially the case since whenever I am out and about I am almost always with my wife and kids. I will always err on the side of their and my safety. When someone chooses to be an attacker they are taking on their own self the responsibility for whatever happens to them since they initiated the violent confrontation. >Quite frankly, I don't give a rat's ass on your definition of self->defense. Nor I yours, nor your smart mouth. But I'll let it slide, since I don't want to participate in a childish consensual fight. :-) >... In court, the only definition of >self-defense that matters is the courts. The court's definition doesn't matter a lick if you or your loved ones are dead. I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6. >So you're saying anytime you feel threatened you'll stab people? A threat and an attack are two different things. I gave the rest of your e-mail a cursory reading and I think we are talking about two different scenarios. I must go and reply to many more e-mails before my laptop battery runs down. Blessings, Rez Johnson "Standing guard on old, forgotten roads, that no one travels anymore." The Fencing Master, by Arturo Perez Rez Johnson, M d'A Headmaster: Mississippi Academy of Arms President: United States Traditional Fencing Association Certified Fencing Instructor: (USTFA, TFI, AAI, USFCA) Certified Fencing Master Apprentice: (USTFA, USFCA) Teaching Classical Fencing and Historical Swordsmanship since 1980 Modern Sport Fencing Coach from 1980 - 2002 Mississippi Academy of Arms P.O. Box 955 Pelahatchie, MS 39145-0955 E-Mail: 1@MSFencing.org Academy Website: http://MSFencing.org USTFA Website: http://TraditionalFencing.org _______________________________________________ --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 14:59:27 -0700 (PDT) From: guro marsh To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] registering as a lethal weapon Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I could be wrong but i belive that the myth about rgistering you're hands as a leathal weapon began with a comedy skit on the dick van dyke show in which dick van dyke said to a man " i warn you my hands are registerd as lethal weapons" and then took a stance.was pretty funny as i recall. Punong Guro Rodger Marsh Head Instructor Angeles Eskrima C.E.O Martial Art Technologies Representative for the World Serrada Eskrima Federation / Martial Arts International for southwest Missouri http://www.martialarttechnologies.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray Subject: Re: [Eskrima] tenspeed and brownshoe To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 19:27:45 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Since you guys are talking about a show that was 1980; > that was one that was never aired here in the > Philippines (we do get a lot of American TV programs > aired here) But for some reason the line about > registering the hands as lethal weapons has been > around since before the 1980s. At least as far as I know. A friend of mine tells the story of how when he returned to the US for the first time in five years (in 1970), after five tours of duty in Vietnam he went to the local police station to "register his hands". During his time in Nam he was assigned to the Korea Tiger Division in the Central Highlands. If you know anything about Vietnam, you know what they were like. During their downtime he was able to train with them in Hapkido. I think he reached 2nd Dan (maybe 3rd?), he is now a real 8th Dan. Not one of these jokers that buy paper from Inside Kung-Fu or Black Belt magazine ads. Anyway, he said the police looked at him like he was out of his ever lovin' mind and told him to beat it, they already had enough crazy people to deal with. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Ken Grubb" To: Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Surviving Edged Weapons Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 21:22:31 -0700 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Jeff Hazen wrote: > I agree with your interpretation of them; however, I believe you should expect > to be charged by the D.A. with the worst, and then have the jury acquit you, > rather than expect the D.A. to not do anything about it because it was obviously > within your rights under the RCW. I think if you begin to review some recent cases in WA, you'll conclude that judicious shootings end with the investigating officers and the prosecutor concluding it was a good shoot. Such things don't go to the jury for acquittal. Perhaps a grand jury and a refusal to indict, on occasion. Dave Workman has all but challenged folks to put forth evidence of even one case in the last 20 years in which it could be reasonably argued that a person was charged, tried and acquitted after putting forth a reason claim of self defense. Granted, that is a bit ambiguous. While it could perhaps be worded more forcefully, Washington is perhaps unique in having RCW 9A.16.110 which reads in part: "(2) When a person charged with a crime listed in subsection (1) of this section is found not guilty by reason of self-defense, the state of Washington shall reimburse the defendant for all reasonable costs, including loss of time, legal fees incurred, and other expenses involved in his or her defense. This reimbursement is not an independent cause of action. To award these reasonable costs the trier of fact must find that the defendant's claim of self-defense was sustained by a preponderance of the evidence. If the trier of fact makes a determination of self-defense, the judge shall determine the amount of the award." In the back of ANY Washington prosecutor's mind, if the case smells like a legit self defense shooting, is always going to be the thought "If I don't get a conviction, and the jury agrees with the claim of self defense, the state is gonna have to pay his legal defense, and I'm gonna be unemployed." Ken Grubb Bellevue, WA -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/89 - Release Date: 2005-09-02 --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest