Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 03:00:52 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 12 #307 - 5 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2200 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. JKD, Kali, Silat, Thaiboxing & Shooto Seminar with Ron Balicki (Larry St. Clair) 2. Great Raid (Nelson Trinidad) 3. registering as a lethal weapon (Perry Gil Mallari) 4. RE: Grappling and ol Red Dog (Marc MacYoung) 5. Re: RE: Grappling and ol Red Dog (Pierre Honeyman) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Larry St. Clair" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 16:10:28 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] JKD, Kali, Silat, Thaiboxing & Shooto Seminar with Ron Balicki Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Come join us in welcoming Ron Balicki back to Austin, Texas for this annual event. Ron Balicki is one of the premier Jeet Kune Do/Kali instructors in the U.S. He will be visiting Austin this weekend sharing the latest curriculum in Jun Fan Gung Fu and the JKD Concepts. Ron Balicki is a professional Shoot fighter competing in Japan as well as an instructor under Guro Dan Inosanto. He is also certified in the following Arts: Senior Instructor Maphilindo Silat, Lameco Escrima, Authorized Instructor Wing Chun, Inosanto Kali and Thai Boxing. Come train and see some of the most practical and innovative Martial Arts that will enhance your current training and serve your self-defense needs. We are hosting a semi-private format so that the attending individuals will receive one on one attention from Ron Balicki himself. Reserve your space as soon as possible so that you don’t miss out on this opportunity. TIME BLOCKS: Saturday, October 1st SHOOTO/VALE TUDO 10am - 11:30am THAIBOXING 11:30am - 1pm KALI/WEAPONS 2pm - 3:30pm JUN FAN/JEET KUNE DO 3:30pm - 5pm Sunday, October 2nd JUN FAN/JEET KUNE DO 10am - 11:30am THAIBOXING 11:30am - 1pm KALI/WEAPONS 2pm - 3:30pm FILIPINO BOXING/SILAT 3:30pm - 5pm FEES: $160.00 for Two Days* $40 for One Block* $70 for Two Blocks* $90for Three Blocks* $110 for Four Blocks* $130 for Five Blocks* * Limited to 20 people only per block PAYMENT: Center of Martial Arts 1609 Ohlen Rd., Suite E Austin, Tx 78758 We hope to see some of you there. Stay tuned to www.martialway.net for more updates and seminars. Sincerely, Larry St. Clair Martial Way Academy www.martialway.net 512.339.8264 --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Nelson Trinidad" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Cc: nelson@netrixstudios.com Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 17:37:34 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Great Raid Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Howdy you all, I think the movie was based upon the rescue of the American P.O.W`s and their family and some civilian workers working pre WW2.The camp was located in Los Banos in the city of Laguna. Of course there were some Filipino fighters(fully well versed in swords fighting) aided in the raid but sad to say the film was solely for the glorification of the U.S. military. I do not have anything against the military beacause I came from the family who served in the U.S. military and a nephew (ARMY)was sent to Kozobo 2 weeks ago.He wants to be sent to Iraq and maybe just a matter of time.I feel proud to be a Naturalized American Citizen and willing to fight for the U.S.A. For our soldiers out there in volatile places please be safe do the right things and come home. Goodbye for now, Nelson"PinoyKowboy"Trinidad Combat Arnis Tabak Society(CATSociety)- www.combatarnis.com (FMA) NETRIX STUDIOS - www.netrixstudios.com (video / photo ) >John wrote: >Hi All, >I was wondering has anybody seen the movie "The Great Raid"?I have not seen >it yet but If my memory serves me correct,i believe it was about 121 hand >selected U.S troops(Rangers) who slipped behind enemy lines in the >Philippines to rescue P.O.W's.My second question is was there any mention >of any Filipino Guerillas involved?...and is it worth watching? >Salamat, >John Fontanilla > >_______________________________________________ >Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com >The most personalized portal on the Web! >_______________________________________________ --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 17:41:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Perry Gil Mallari To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] registering as a lethal weapon Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Though the myth of registering the hand as a lethal weapon was an enduring urban legend, there are indeed places that have a systematic system of registration and monitoring for martial arts practitioners. I'm not sure if its still in existence but Singapore has a thing called MARTIAL ARTS CONTROL UNIT (MACU) way back in the 90s. Wing Chun sifu Randy Williams relates that among the first thing he did when assigned to work in Singapore then was to register himself in MACU. Perry Gil Mallari Philippines __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Marc MacYoung" To: Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 10:03:58 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] RE: Grappling and ol Red Dog Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > >No I'm saying it was a consensual fight. It was two guys in a sleazy > bar > >who got into it. > > Just as I thought. Childish. Could have been avoided. Yes, most fights can be. But I think you will find that the behaviors that lead to violence are seldom of a "higher" nature, contempteously dismissing them "childish" isn't real smart either. You are closing the door on further understanding. Because, by calling it childish, you are, in essence saying "That's all there is and everything goes into this box" Well except for two things: A) Although it may satisfy the extent of your desire to understand the motivations of this behavior -- it's a little more complex than that. B) Inherient in that approach is a strong dash of superiority. Now while this may sound like I'm bagging on you, let me assure you that this is a legitimate statement -- especially when dealing with a violent person. A belief of your superiority that might well provoke a such person, who feels he is being looked down upon and being "diss'ed." The resulting violence would be -- from you perspective -- an unprovoked assault. But from his point of vew, you started it by insulting him. In fact, your attitude would have contributed to the creation and escalation of the situation -- especially if during the attempts as so-called "de-escalation, it leaked through. There is a saying I picked up from a guy on the SDF forums that summed it up well "F*ck you is not a part of de-ecalation" Neither is having a superior attitude when dealing with a violent person. When it comes to provoking an attack, your attitude has a lot to do with whether or not you get assaulted. Remember Peyton's 3 rules? > Obviously we are talking about two very different things, you about > consensual fighting, me about a surprise attack. While I am famous for splitting hairs -- because differences are indeed important -- in this case I am talking more about the general factors involved in the escalation and creation of many kinds of violence. This would include one's actions leading to the creation of a fight as well as your actions leading to a "surprise attack." Oh just for the record technically speaking very few attacks are "surprise attacks." While the person getting attacked may be surprised that's usually because 1) he/she wasn't paying attention to the situation and 2) he/she didn't recognize the signficance of the actions leading up to the attack. If you are looking around at key points, it is very easy to see most robbers/stranger rapists/carjackers coming. Certain behaviors when seen in certain contexts only mean one thing. Seeing them and knowing what they mean go miles for keeping attacks from even happening, much less being surprise. When it comes to fights -- or "unprovoked" assaults -- these too have generalized patterns that their creation goes through. Patterns that are both obvious and predictable. What you would consider an unprovoked assault, might very well be an example of: You don't say that to someone 'round here and NOT expect to get slugged -- even if the person is "wrongfully" in your face. (Or as Chris Pfouts found out, you don't tell a drug dealer who's bagging on you about throwing out your trash in HIS public trashcan to F*ck off unless you are ready to get shot). What is most often the case however, is someone zipped through the process much faster than you expected him to. People who use violence to get what they want often have this behavior on speed dial...but that doesn't mean it was a surprise attack. It was there, you just didn't see it, understand it or your participation in its creation. While to you, all you were doing was sitting there humming a happy tune, but to a violent person your actions took an entirely different significance. Now, while that legally means that your actions did not warrant being attacked, and as such the other person was in the wrong, that doesn't mean your actions didn't help create the situation. As such, are you willing to commit violence on another person -- and risk having it done on you -- for your "right" to behave a certain way? These are the things that can -- and often do -- lead to violence. All it takes is doing it in front of the wrong person and at the wrong time. I don't go to bars > and > other places where folks tend to get into fights. Good for you. By avoiding places where violent people tend to go, you do greatly reduce your chances of being involved in violence. > I don't have the > ego > problem that tends to escalate minor confrontations into fights. So you're telling me: You never get mad while driving? You never say anything nasty out of emotional defense? You never have a bad day where you're tired, cranky and not as normally politique as normal? You don't respond to unexpected intrusions of your space with vim and vigor? You don't react angerly when your children are threatened? So it is okay for you to carry a weapon? And -- since, by your own admission "you don't have the ego problems that tends to escalate minor confrontations into fights," -- any violent encounter you find yourself in will be the other guy's fault? And-- because of these conditions and your tendency to avoid sleazy ars -- you don't have to worry about learning use of force laws about stabbing someone? Here is a simple fact folks. ANYTIME, you "gear up" by strapping on a weapon, putting one in your pocket or putting on a holster rig you ARE accountable to a higher set of standards than the average person. You need to put aside your "normal" way of doing business and 1) know and 2) conform to these higher standards. Carrying a "self-defense" tool is never just a "like normal but with a weapon." I stick with what I said earlier "Weapons are like power tools, mistakes happen faster." If you don't want to learn and abide by these higher standards, do yourself, your family and everyone else a favor and DON'T carry a weapon. Leave them at home or the training hall. And don't even get me started on instructors who peddle their systems as "self-defense" without addressing these standards. Study it as an art, study it as a tradition, study it for fun, intellectual challenge and excercise. But don't call it "self-defense." Until you hang on the complicating factors that are involved in SD (like the higher standards of accountability that one must know and abide by when you carry a weapon) it ain't training for SD. It's training for disaster. Yes I am preaching here because I can't slam people, who intone "I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by six," into the wall and bitchslap them while snarling "It...isn't...that...simple...!" M --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 20:19:17 -0700 From: Pierre Honeyman To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] RE: Grappling and ol Red Dog Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Quoting Marc MacYoung : > SD. It's training for disaster. Yes I am preaching here because I can't > slam people, who intone "I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by six," > into the wall and bitchslap them while snarling > "It...isn't...that...simple...!" Blah blah blah. It is *exactly* that simple. I can choose, in Canada, to die (or be maimed, crippled, etc.) *or* I can choose to defend myself with a weapon and face, at a minimum: the loss of my job; the loss of my house; the loss of my wife; the loss of my freedom for a year or more before I even go to trial; the loss of my life's savings defending myself at trial; and all of that is presuming I am able to prevail at trial. What difference does it make *to me* if I'm found guilty or not? Do you think you're the only one who comprehends the possible risks of an armed conflict with another individual, even if you *win*? Talk about arrogance. Pierre --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest