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Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Heavy hitters and adrenaline dump (WoodyTX) 2. Surfing the Adrenal Edge (buz_ed_alias@mac.com) 3. 16th Dan ??? (Ray) 4. Re: Surfing the Adrenal Edge (Daniel Arola) 5. All six angles ? (Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 07:55:55 -0500 From: WoodyTX To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Heavy hitters and adrenaline dump Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net TYLER I want you to hit me as hard as you can. JACK What? Woody On 9/15/05, Jeff Hazen wrote: > On Sun, 11 Sep 2005, Michael Koblic wrote: > MK: Animal wrote (I paraphrase) "Heavy hitters are able to control their > MK: adrenaline dump". > > I don't claim to be a heavy hitter, but I figured out (about 10 years ago) > how to purposefully give myself an adrenaline dump. > --jeff --__--__-- Message: 2 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: buz_ed_alias@mac.com Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 14:25:55 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] Surfing the Adrenal Edge Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello, my name is Buz and I'm an adrenaline junkie ("Hi Buz," says the chorus). I've been following the adrenaline dump thread and it got me to thinking about my adrenal pursuits and their implications. Though I've come to conclude in martial arts context and others adrenaline is your friend, I also think, perhaps contradictorily, that the adrenaline dump is not. Indeed, as I've been mulling this over I've come to conclude that I'm not really an adrenaline junkie per se, but more of an adrenaline surfer. Think the clearest example of the above I can come up with involves motorcycles. From the 69 cc Benelli minibike I bought with paper route proceeds back in the fifth grade until more or less today I've owned a motorcycle, ridden it hard, and somewhat surprisingly have managed to survive the experience for the most part intact. Think twisting a throttle correlates closely with adrenaline release and indeed think a big chunk of my fondness for two wheelers derives from the fact that you can throttle right up to that adrenal edge, give it a little extra twist in the curve, back it off a little as the foot peg nears the pavement, then look for the next chance to find the crest and surf just a bit past it. While riding I don't think instances where I've had a sudden adrenaline dump have proved particularly useful, and indeed may have gotten in the way of a more cognitive response. Now that I think about 'em, most dump instances were pretty similar: cruising down some boring city street when some freaking Buick battleship backs out of a driveway, oblivious to me. The dump occurs, I mash the brakes and yank the handlebars, but there's really no finesse or or forebrain involved. Flip side is that there have been instances when I've been surfing the adrenal edge cranking the bike through a series of curves when something untoward appears, say some debris in the road. Somehow I can give the adrenal gland an extra squeeze, stretch out time a little, sort through options quickly, and then execute a complex solution that gets me past the problem at hand. So, in answer to Jeff's question: > . . . I figured out how to purposefully give myself an adrenaline > dump. . . . Does/can anybody else control their adrenalin this way? I haven't found that I'm able to prevent a dump from happening, but I can summon something like one up more or less as needed. Now that I think about it I'm quite sure my years managing kitchens are largely responsible for this ability. My favorite shift was 11 to 8: I'd walk in and have to start cranking out the lunch rush, take a deep breath around 1:00 and then start knocking things out for dinner, crank out the dinner rush, finish my shift, have a couple drinks, backup the bouncers and bartenders should any fun emerge, close the place out, crash for a bit, then get up and repeat the process. Do that six or seven days a week for fifteen years and you too will be able call up manic bursts of energy on cue. As for the martial implications of being able manipulate adrenal secretions . . . I'm by no means a heavy hitter though my few street confrontations were doubtless well served by my ability to hit that switch. As far as training goes I'm able to call up adrenal reserves when I start dragging. What I really like, though, are those occasions when I'm running a drill with a training partner I'm really in synch with. There's no ego involved, I know he's competent enough that he's not going to miss a beat and eat my stick, so I can just kind of let go, find that adrenal edge, and start riffing on it and pushing past. One of these days I'm gonna have to get my act together and take things to the next level by participating in a Dog Brothers type event. My guess is that test like that better measure one's ability to surf the edge while avoiding nerve jangling adrenaline dumps that to my mind interfere with martial cognition. Regards, Buz Grover --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Ray To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 14:58:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Eskrima] 16th Dan ??? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Arnis: A real Pinoy martial art A REAL Filipino martial art is more popular in the United States than here. This is for sure. But Nestor Fernandez believes that Filipino players will take the sport of arnis and will find it as exciting as any other martial arts. The karate, jujitsu, aikido, judo and fut-ga, a little known Chinese martial art master comes home to his homeland to re-introduce a sport, which has been in existence for hundreds of years but being played by a handful of Filipinos. Fernandez, a retired private investigator from Daly City, California, is a 16th dan red belt of the arnis - Fernandez style. His dojo or school in San Francisco City accommodates at least a hundred students per session. His art is known as the U.S. - Philippines Kali - Arnis - Eskrima Federation. Kali, he said, is like arnis, but bladed weapons like bolo is used. It originated from Malaysia and Indonesia and brought to the Philippines during the height of the Sri Vishaya empire that at it's zenith occupied most of Indonesia and Malaysia to Borneo and Brunei. It was probably brought to the Philippines by the mythical 10 datus of Borneo who carved out kingdoms: in Panay, which will be called Visaya from Sri Vishaya; Southern Luzon by the Taga-ilogs or Tagalog; and Bicol. Arnis is, well, using round sticks 30 inches in length and an inch thick. While eskrima is using swords. Fernandez said that there are more exciting disciplines which he teaches to the higher belts, like bone breaking which means breaking the bones or joints. "I only teach this to the black belt and higher. This is good in ending the fight the soonest," he added. Fernandez said that Filipinos took up arnis when the Spaniards banned the use of bolo and other bladed weapons during their rule from 1567 to 1898. Lapu-Lapu and his band of Filipino warriors drove the Spaniards under Ferdinand Magellan using their bolo, kali style. Fernandez said that many Filipinos in the Luzon island know arnis. In fact, many simple old farmers can show you a thing or two about the art. Fernandez started arnis as a kid in Binmaley, Pangasinan before the outbreak of the second world war. He was a sole child, his younger brother was killed by an accident, thus he became the center of his parent's loving care. They too were strict parents and saw to his proper upbringing and knowing at least a martial art. And like many Pangasinense, he should learn arnis. "I did not like it a bit because I was a kid and I should be playing," he recalled, but his father and mother would call arnis masters from the nearby towns of Malasiqui, San Carlos, Calasiao and Bayambang. His teacher were usually relatives. His trainings were intensified when he was in high school in Lingayen (Pangasinan) National High School. Even when he was in Manila taking up pre-medicine at the University of Santo Tomas, his daily routine would include several hours of training. He went to medical school but soon found himself taking up law at the Ateneo de Manila University. As a college student, he also trained in jujitsu and judo, although he is not the athletic type. Fernandez finished law school but did not take the Bar. He worked briefly for the National Bureau of Investigation then left for the United States in 1966 where he got married and had three kids. He worked as a private investigator in Daly City then started his own school. But who will guess that the unassuming 5'2" Filipino arnis master would attract players? He attracted students though. From a small gym inside his garage, Fernandez moved to San Francisco in a small gym called "What a racquet?" in 1977. By 1995, he started holding his school in a bigger gym called San Francisco Bay Club. He has a regular of at least a hundred students and has produced 14 blackbelts in the US and another one here. He charges nothing for his teaching. Even noted taekwondo master Jong H. Lee of the Unified World Taekwondo Association took up training under him and from where he is affiliated now. Lee brought also his 2,000 strong members to train under the Filipino master. Fernandez was also the vice chairman of the United World Martial Arts Federation whose president was Joe Halbuna, a grand master of the kajukenbo discipline. Fernandez took part in several Tiger Claw Clinics where he joined many of America's top martial artists like Halbuna, Ben Abarca, a judo, kobuda and tai chi chuan master; Willy Cahill, a former US team coach in the Goodwill Games, Pan American Games and a jujitsu master; Jong H. Lee; Harlan Lee, a fut ga kuen master and honorary member of the juang su wu shu committee; Arthur Lee, an American champion; and, Bob Maschmeier, kajukenbo, jujitsu, judo, shutokan karate, kyudo and combat jujitsu expert. He came home July last year and settled in Baguio City where he has now attracted some players. He holds classes at the YMCA gym here and is affiliated with the Sphinx Karatedo Philippines whose master, Police Supt. Manuel de Leon, has been his one of strongest supporters. He teaches with his first Filipino balckbelt, Conrado Servito, a third dan blackbelt, who takes turn training his new students. "I am here to teach what I know and hope that our local martial artists will learn and integrate what they learned from me in their skill," he said. "It's a small dream, but if it will help earn medals for our Filipino players then I will be happy," he added. Arnis is quite popular in the United States where regular competitions are held in California, New York, Washington State, Hawaii and Tennessee. Other styles were also imported to the U.S. like the Doce Pares and Balintawak styles. Both were already in the US when he arrived in the 60's. But his style is basically his, more particularly the Pangasinan style, which he has learned from six masters, two of whom are still alive. "There are some distinctive differences, but they are the same. We hope though that the Filipinos will like them," he added. Fernandez will be at the forefront of the first arnis competition here Sunday at the People's Park, where he will show how the sport is played, the Fernandez way. "We hope to attract more players," he added. Arnis is surely back. --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 15:29:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel Arola Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Surfing the Adrenal Edge To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Su-weet post, Buz! I'm gonna keep this post in mind tomorrow(Sat.) when I have the guys from the school over to train with in my backyard. We'll be doing quite a bit of drilling and sparring with padded and live rattan sticks. I'll even have some hard music cranking on the stereo. Daniel Arola Fayetteville, NC http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DAMAG_Kali_Stickfighting buz_ed_alias@mac.com wrote: Hello, my name is Buz and I'm an adrenaline junkie ("Hi Buz," says the chorus). I've been following the adrenaline dump thread and it got me to thinking about my adrenal pursuits and their implications. Though I've come to conclude in martial arts context and others adrenaline is your friend, I also think, perhaps contradictorily, that the adrenaline dump is not. Indeed, as I've been mulling this over I've come to conclude that I'm not really an adrenaline junkie per se, but more of an adrenaline surfer. Think the clearest example of the above I can come up with involves motorcycles. From the 69 cc Benelli minibike I bought with paper route proceeds back in the fifth grade until more or less today I've owned a motorcycle, ridden it hard, and somewhat surprisingly have managed to survive the experience for the most part intact. Think twisting a throttle correlates closely with adrenaline release and indeed think a big chunk of my fondness for two wheelers derives from the fact that you can throttle right up to that adrenal edge, give it a little extra twist in the curve, back it off a little as the foot peg nears the pavement, then look for the next chance to find the crest and surf just a bit past it. While riding I don't think instances where I've had a sudden adrenaline dump have proved particularly useful, and indeed may have gotten in the way of a more cognitive response. Now that I think about 'em, most dump instances were pretty similar: cruising down some boring city street when some freaking Buick battleship backs out of a driveway, oblivious to me. The dump occurs, I mash the brakes and yank the handlebars, but there's really no finesse or or forebrain involved. Flip side is that there have been instances when I've been surfing the adrenal edge cranking the bike through a series of curves when something untoward appears, say some debris in the road. Somehow I can give the adrenal gland an extra squeeze, stretch out time a little, sort through options quickly, and then execute a complex solution that gets me past the problem at hand. So, in answer to Jeff's question: > . . . I figured out how to purposefully give myself an adrenaline > dump. . . . Does/can anybody else control their adrenalin this way? I haven't found that I'm able to prevent a dump from happening, but I can summon something like one up more or less as needed. Now that I think about it I'm quite sure my years managing kitchens are largely responsible for this ability. My favorite shift was 11 to 8: I'd walk in and have to start cranking out the lunch rush, take a deep breath around 1:00 and then start knocking things out for dinner, crank out the dinner rush, finish my shift, have a couple drinks, backup the bouncers and bartenders should any fun emerge, close the place out, crash for a bit, then get up and repeat the process. Do that six or seven days a week for fifteen years and you too will be able call up manic bursts of energy on cue. As for the martial implications of being able manipulate adrenal secretions . . . I'm by no means a heavy hitter though my few street confrontations were doubtless well served by my ability to hit that switch. As far as training goes I'm able to call up adrenal reserves when I start dragging. What I really like, though, are those occasions when I'm running a drill with a training partner I'm really in synch with. There's no ego involved, I know he's competent enough that he's not going to miss a beat and eat my stick, so I can just kind of let go, find that adrenal edge, and start riffing on it and pushing past. One of these days I'm gonna have to get my act together and take things to the next level by participating in a Dog Brothers type event. My guess is that test like that better measure one's ability to surf the edge while avoiding nerve jangling adrenaline dumps that to my mind interfere with martial cognition. Regards, Buz Grover _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 17:43:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Eskrima] All six angles ? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > ... Grandmaster Anthony Davis ... "DAVIS/CABALES SERRADA SYSTEM OF ESCRIMA". And is Anthony's system comprised of all six angles of Serrada? 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