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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2200 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Questions (Todd Ellner) 2. Patterns. (davID) 3. Re: "Dead" Patterns (Steve Kohn) 4. Re: "Dead" Patterns (James Wade) 5. Congratulations to Guro Leo Manalo (Steven Lefebvre) 6. video clips (Jye nigma) 7. Congratulations to Guro Don Edwards (Ken Borowiec) 8. Re: Patterns. (jay de leon) 9. Knife fighting cousins (Marc MacYoung) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 12:29:44 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) From: "Todd Ellner" To: Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Questions Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Hey guys how are yah >I have joined a new gym called kombat arts. And among other things im taking >dbma/kali and was hoping to get some advice on the different types of wood >used for arnis sticks. The wood and their advantages and disadvantages. >kamagong, Bahi and Narra it would be a big help thank you. Any help would be >much appreciated and are there any ways in order to detect inferior quality >and fake sticks which i have heard some people get duped into buying. You're really lucky. Joey is a heck of a teacher and a fine martial artist. Also that rarest of ducks, a good martial artist who's a genuinely good human being. As for sticks, well, it depends on what you're looking for. For sheer impact strength there's impact-grade hickory. Then there's everything else. Regular hickory, osage orange and a couple others are in the second tier. Ash is also very good that way and very cheap. My favorite fighting stick is a pick handle cut down to fit my hand. Kamagong and some of the other exotic hardwoods are very endangered. I steer clear of them for that reason. Don't want to encourage the trade in rare and endangered species. It's your call, though. Besides, a lot of them are hard and heavy but splinter and shatter more easily than you'd imagine. Better to stick with something cheaper that will stand up better. Like hickory, ash, or osage orange. --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 12:44:46 -0700 (PDT) From: davID To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Patterns. Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi all. Just wanted to get involved in the great dialogue here. My name is David Riggs. I was the first Black Belt out of what was called "American Arnis" back in the mid 80's. I haven't been active as a teacher for many years. My experience of the martial arts has been wide and varied. There is a natural desire for all of us to continually refine and redefine not only our art and how it fits into the world but ourselves. During the "American Arnis years" there was a big push among many stylists (not only FMAers) to seperate what they do or have done from the past in an attempt to make their art relevant to current times. "American Arnis" was guilty of stripping the language and tradition of the filipino martial arts and comingling it with korean/japanese arts. After years of continued study and practice I find myself back at the beginning. Finding that the Filipino terms, drills and exercises are and always have been a great way to develop a fighter. Patterns are an essential part of developing coordination, and small skill sets. Without them a student's timing and rhythm may not rise naturally to the higher levels of attainment. Discounting a part of an art is a discredit to the art as a whole. Instead look at the context of the exercise. Drills and kata are done to develop something a student doesn't yet possess. They may appear flawed (because they alter timing, range or distance) but sometimes that is a path necessary to build a strong foundation. My two cents. Thanks David. Oh, and by the way. If anyone has a current glossary of filipino MA terms I'd love to see it. There are certain drills and patterns that I don't remember the names of. davID PRODIGIOUSUS * AMO * POTENTIA * ANTESIGNANUS www.Shu45.com *** Shu45 on EBAY! __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 13:19:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Kohn Subject: Re: [Eskrima] "Dead" Patterns To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Point taken...but what is your approach to teaching? -Steve WoodyTX wrote: "Patterns and katas aren't really 'fighting'." "Bricks and boards aren't really a house." ;-) Woody On 9/26/05, Steve Kohn wrote: > Hi All, > > Rather than just chiming in on a thread, I thought I would start one today. There's a gentleman out there (assuming he is one) that I'll allow to remain nameless as he is not a digest member and therefore cannot defend himself. He is quite fond of dismissing the "dead patterns" commonly used as training methods in the FMAs as worthless. Curiously though, he has huge respect for Guru Dan Inosanto, a great proponent of this type of training. So his argument already has holes in it. _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 13:28:47 -0700 (PDT) From: James Wade Subject: Re: [Eskrima] "Dead" Patterns To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I dont think any one would say that patterns are really fighting, but they are often times the beginning of the chain. WoodyTX wrote: "Patterns and katas aren't really 'fighting'." "Bricks and boards aren't really a house." ;-) Woody On 9/26/05, Steve Kohn wrote: > Hi All, > > Rather than just chiming in on a thread, I thought I would start one today. There's a gentleman out there (assuming he is one) that I'll allow to remain nameless as he is not a digest member and therefore cannot defend himself. He is quite fond of dismissing the "dead patterns" commonly used as training methods in the FMAs as worthless. Curiously though, he has huge respect for Guru Dan Inosanto, a great proponent of this type of training. So his argument already has holes in it. _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Steven Lefebvre" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 10:01:07 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Congratulations to Guro Leo Manalo Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello Everyone, Congratulations to Guro Leo Manalo who represented Atienza Kali, for taking first place in the Long Sword competition at the Cold Steel Challenge this past weekend! Awesome work!!! Gumagalang Guro Steve L. www.Bujinkandojo.net --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 23:19:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net, itf-taekwondo@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Eskrima] video clips Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net This clip shows Real stick fights, Real Tribes, Real warriors! How our people get down in the mother land, there are no rules, except not hitting the guy on the ground: http://j.b5z.net/i/u/2098198/f/realstickfight.mov Here are other examples of African stick fighting and some infor on Nuba Wrestling. I know some of you brothers up here will enjoy. Zulu Stick fighting http://ejmas.com/jalt/jaltart_Coetzee_0902.htm http://therionarms.com/antiques/therionarms_c593.html http://www.warthog.co.za/dedt/tourism/culture/warriors/stick.htm Nuba Stick Fighting http://www.nubasurvival.com/Nuba%20Culture/4.%20Nuba%20stick% 20fighting. htm Nuba Wrestling http://www.nubasurvival.com/Nuba%20Vision/Vol%201%20Issue%202/8% 20Wrestl ing.htm Trinidad (region) http://www.spiceisle.com/drumkrumah/images/GDF61.jpg Dominica (18th c) http://hitchcock.itc.virginia.edu/SlaveTrade/collection/large/NW0158.J PG --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 10:36:30 -0400 From: "Ken Borowiec" To: Subject: [Eskrima] Congratulations to Guro Don Edwards Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I want to send out a congratulations to Guro Don Edwards for his promotion to Master in Eskrima under Master Dong. Ken --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 07:36:35 -0700 (PDT) From: jay de leon Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Patterns. To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Mr. David Riggs: Could you please tell us more about "American Arnis"? Who were the proponents, the "source" styles, etc.? When you use the term, was this a particular style, or just a generic term for a "modified" type of arnis? Thanks, Jay de Leon davID wrote: Hi all. Just wanted to get involved in the great dialogue here. My name is David Riggs. I was the first Black Belt out of what was called "American Arnis" back in the mid 80's. I haven't been active as a teacher for many years. My experience of the martial arts has been wide and varied. There is a natural desire for all of us to continually refine and redefine not only our art and how it fits into the world but ourselves. During the "American Arnis years" there was a big push among many stylists (not only FMAers) to seperate what they do or have done from the past in an attempt to make their art relevant to current times. "American Arnis" was guilty of stripping the language and tradition of the filipino martial arts and comingling it with korean/japanese arts. After years of continued study and practice I find myself back at the beginning. Finding that the Filipino terms, drills and exercises are and always have been a great way to develop a fighter. Patterns are an essential part of developing coordination, and small skill sets. Without them a student's timing and rhythm may not rise naturally to the higher levels of attainment. Discounting a part of an art is a discredit to the art as a whole. Instead look at the context of the exercise. Drills and kata are done to develop something a student doesn't yet possess. They may appear flawed (because they alter timing, range or distance) but sometimes that is a path necessary to build a strong foundation. My two cents. Thanks David. Oh, and by the way. If anyone has a current glossary of filipino MA terms I'd love to see it. There are certain drills and patterns that I don't remember the names of. davID PRODIGIOUSUS * AMO * POTENTIA * ANTESIGNANUS www.Shu45.com *** Shu45 on EBAY! __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Marc MacYoung" To: Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 08:22:14 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Knife fighting cousins Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Associated Press 9/28/05 **********************8 MOUNT CLEMENS, Mich. (AP) - Five years into the 21st century, an 1846 anti-dueling law is being used to prosecute two cousins accused of getting in a knife fight. "The 1800s are alive and well in Mount Clemens," joked Dean Alan, who heads the Macomb County prosecutor's office warrants division. It issued warrants Tuesday. Police say the cousins, ages 19 and 31, disagreed Monday over a $30 debt. The older man brandished a knife and challenged the younger man to fight outside their Mount Clemens home, and the younger man accepted, said Sheriff Mark Hackel. The teen was stabbed in the stomach. "He could've done any number of things," Hackel said. "He could've called police, he could've fled the area. But he took on the challenge and became part of the problem." A lawyer specializing in criminal defense said he has never represented anyone charged with dueling but said lawyers for both men could use the same strategy -- claiming self-defense. "If it's a mutual fight, it's kind of hard to say it's one guy's fault," said Stephen Rabaut. "And just because you're the injured party, that doesn't mean you were the good guy." --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest