Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 03:00:45 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 12 #330 - 4 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2200 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: "Dead" Patterns (WoodyTX) 2. UPCOMING GARIMOT SEMINARS (Al Sardinas) 3. Re: "Dead" Patterns (Al Sardinas) 4. Answers re: American Arnis (davID) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 15:20:14 -0500 From: WoodyTX To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] "Dead" Patterns Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I don't teach; sorry for the confusion. :-\ A pattern or drill exists to hammer the movements into your muscle memory, along with judging distance, timing, etc. Sparring is for putting all those drills together, sometimes whole, sometimes piecemeal. The first time my feet did a triangular entry and exit, barely avoiding my opponent's riposte (can I use that word?), it was because of drilling. But the fact that I did it at "combat speed" was because of sparring. Confusing one for the other is like confusing a hammer for a screwdriver. They're both just tools. Woody On 9/27/05, Steve Kohn wrote: > Point taken...but what is your approach to teaching? > > -Steve > > WoodyTX wrote: > "Patterns and katas aren't really 'fighting'." > > "Bricks and boards aren't really a house." > > ;-) > > Woody --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Al Sardinas" To: Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 16:46:33 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] UPCOMING GARIMOT SEMINARS Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet will be providing instruction on the various facets of the Garimot System of Arnis at the following venues and dates: Sept. 30 Oct. 1 & 2, 2005 International Martial Arts Symposium (Shorin Ryu Karate World Organization) Columbia, South Carolina USA Contact: Shihan Ridgely Abele 604 Meeting Street, West Clubia, SC 29169 Ph 803-794-3908 E-mail OeyeC@aol.com Website: www. Shurite.com Cost $199.00 Pre-registration November 13, 2005 Lodi, NJ. Flipino Martial Arts "Garimot Arnis/Buno Seminar" Hosted by BAKBAKAN International http://www.bakbakan.com/ Contact: Guro Rey Galang Senior Instructor of Kalis Ilustrisimo Pre-register: $50.00; Walk-in: $75 Pre-registration Deadline: November 7, 2005 Respectfully, Al Sardinas Student of The Garimot System of Arnis --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Al Sardinas" To: Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 17:03:31 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: "Dead" Patterns Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net In my opinion, there are no "dead" patterns. Patterns like the basic music scales and chords serve their purpose. Regarding strange angles, who says one can not have or develop a pattern for them. Once a musician starts making actual music, it becomes a pattern be it strange or not. That's the beauty of music! The beauty of FMA's. Respectfully, Al Sardinas Student of The Garimot System of Arnis --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 07:31:01 -0700 (PDT) From: davID To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Answers re: American Arnis Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Thanks for the interest Jay. American Arnis was a descendant of Modern Arnis as taught by Remy Presas in the early 80's before the filipino martial arts took off in the United States. It was founded by Michael Replogle (California) and Jeff Arnold (Michigan) and was intended as a progressive learning system which combined filipino martial arts with korean and japanese arts. There was a strong push to keep traditional Dan-Kyu as an acknowledgement of rank progression. Both Replogle and Arnold were senior black belts (I don't recall their degree rankings) under Presas in both Modern Arnis and Filipino Karate (Presas' translation for sikaran?) As well as being ranked in Tae Kwon Do and Judo. Aikido and Wing chun theory and technique played a part as well. American Arnis concidered Presas its grandmaster, even after a falling out between them. As I understand it Presas wished to continue teaching Modern Arnis as a seperate discipline and was not ready (or did not wish) there to be a combined art that might draw publicity away from Modern Arnis. Replogle and Arnold are featured in Presas' book "Modern Arnis: the Filipino Art of Sticking Fighting" and were featured in Karate Illustrated Magazine (March 1985) -- that's me with the beard making painful expressions during the demonstration shots-- And they did a series of large seminar events around the country for several years. Many schools were affiliated as charter schools teaching American Arnis as an easy sidestep out of their existing styles. A major drawback of this americanization was the loss of the filipino language and culture. Most of the terms used in American Arnis (and Modern Arnis at that time) were rough translations of filipino terminology. Presas himself would often substitute different english terms for the same or similar drills when he was on the east coast of the united states as opposed to the west coast. (This is part of why I am so happy to see filipino language being used in so many FMA schools now - there still seems a lot of conflict due to regional dialects etc - but its a step in the right direction) As far as I know only a handful of other "American Arnis Black Belts" exist, most probably from Mr. Arnold's school in Michigan. The Art as a whole is dead. Personally, my continued education in different arts has always recentered my commitment to Arnis. Master Sam Tendencia once shared his view on this in the following example, "The Martial arts are a tree, with each limb representing a discipline (karate, judo, etc), each branch is a style (teachings of a different family or group) and each flower is a man. --But Arnis? Arnis is the trunk." So when people ask me what style I practice, I am inclined to tell them it is Arnis or Arnis De Mano (where Presas said he began). Though there are stylistic differences between Kali, Eskrima, Arnis and the many family styles from the many regions of the filipines, they are all one after all. david. I am changing to a new email address. It is david@shu45.com Message: 8 Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 07:36:35 -0700 (PDT) From: jay de leon Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Patterns. To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Mr. David Riggs: Could you please tell us more about "American Arnis"? Who were the proponents, the "source" styles, etc.? When you use the term, was this a particular style, or just a generic term for a "modified" type of arnis? Thanks, Jay de Leon davID PRODIGIOUSUS * AMO * POTENTIA * ANTESIGNANUS www.Shu45.com *** Shu45 on EBAY! __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest