Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 03:00:54 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 12 #331 - 1 msg X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2200 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Answers re: American Arnis (jay de leon) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 10:03:35 -0700 (PDT) From: jay de leon Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Answers re: American Arnis To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi David : Such a small world. I will try to keep my ED reply to you brief and of general interest, and possibly continue offline, if that is OK with you. I saw Remy Presas during his Los Angeles days, having met him when he was still living in San Francisco. I went to a couple of his seminars at Michael Replogle's dojo, and I trained briefly in the Modern Arnis classes held at the dojo. The dojo at that time served as Remy's headquarters, it was a Tae Kwon Do dojo (dojang) headed by Dan DiVito on Vermont Ave.in LA. I thought that Mike was very competent, personable and professional, and he was a young guy then. I have always wondered what eventually happened to him. I saw Remy at various seminars for the next three decades. For various reasons, I have never claimed to be a Remy Presas student, inspite of this short training in Los Angeles and getting to know Remy as a friend over the years. I was a student of Master Godofredo Fajardo in the Philippines. Master Fajardo is now a Lakan 7, member of the council of grandmasters of International Modern Arnis Federation of the Philippines (IMAFP based in Manila) and currently IMAFP Commissioner for the Middle East based in Saudi Arabia. I am currently the IMAFP Commissioner for North America, based in southern CA. I would like to continue our discussion of American Arnis offline, if that is OK with you. Jay de Leon davID wrote:Thanks for the interest Jay. American Arnis was a descendant of Modern Arnis as taught by Remy Presas in the early 80's before the filipino martial arts took off in the United States. It was founded by Michael Replogle (California) and Jeff Arnold (Michigan) and was intended as a progressive learning system which combined filipino martial arts with korean and japanese arts. There was a strong push to keep traditional Dan-Kyu as an acknowledgement of rank progression. Both Replogle and Arnold were senior black belts (I don't recall their degree rankings) under Presas in both Modern Arnis and Filipino Karate (Presas' translation for sikaran?) As well as being ranked in Tae Kwon Do and Judo. Aikido and Wing chun theory and technique played a part as well. American Arnis concidered Presas its grandmaster, even after a falling out between them. As I understand it Presas wished to continue teaching Modern Arnis as a seperate discipline and was not ready (or did not wish) there to be a combined art that might draw publicity away from Modern Arnis. Replogle and Arnold are featured in Presas' book "Modern Arnis: the Filipino Art of Sticking Fighting" and were featured in Karate Illustrated Magazine (March 1985) -- that's me with the beard making painful expressions during the demonstration shots-- And they did a series of large seminar events around the country for several years. Many schools were affiliated as charter schools teaching American Arnis as an easy sidestep out of their existing styles. A major drawback of this americanization was the loss of the filipino language and culture. Most of the terms used in American Arnis (and Modern Arnis at that time) were rough translations of filipino terminology. Presas himself would often substitute different english terms for the same or similar drills when he was on the east coast of the united states as opposed to the west coast. (This is part of why I am so happy to see filipino language being used in so many FMA schools now - there still seems a lot of conflict due to regional dialects etc - but its a step in the right direction) As far as I know only a handful of other "American Arnis Black Belts" exist, most probably from Mr. Arnold's school in Michigan. The Art as a whole is dead. Personally, my continued education in different arts has always recentered my commitment to Arnis. Master Sam Tendencia once shared his view on this in the following example, "The Martial arts are a tree, with each limb representing a discipline (karate, judo, etc), each branch is a style (teachings of a different family or group) and each flower is a man. --But Arnis? Arnis is the trunk." So when people ask me what style I practice, I am inclined to tell them it is Arnis or Arnis De Mano (where Presas said he began). Though there are stylistic differences between Kali, Eskrima, Arnis and the many family styles from the many regions of the filipines, they are all one after all. david. I am changing to a new email address. It is david@shu45.com Message: 8 Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 07:36:35 -0700 (PDT) From: jay de leon Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Patterns. To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Mr. David Riggs: Could you please tell us more about "American Arnis"? Who were the proponents, the "source" styles, etc.? When you use the term, was this a particular style, or just a generic term for a "modified" type of arnis? Thanks, Jay de Leon davID PRODIGIOUSUS * AMO * POTENTIA * ANTESIGNANUS www.Shu45.com *** Shu45 on EBAY! __________________________________ Yahoo! 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