Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 03:00:48 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 12 #335 - 8 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2200 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Pissed re American Arnis (Steve Kohn) 2. Re: Off topic, but what the hey. This is too good to pass up (WoodyTX) 3. Silat (Steve Kohn) 4. Re: Re: "Dead" Patterns (Steve Kohn) 5. Seminar (Punong Guro Steven Dowd) 6. RE: Silat (Mike Casto) 7. Indonesian Silat (ray man) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 11:13:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Kohn Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Pissed re American Arnis To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net You gotta love it when B.S. politics suck the energy (not to mention the fun) out of our arts. It's as sad as it is stupid. -Steve Kohn David Riggs wrote: True enough, Danny. I can't do or say much about that aspect of their relationships or their disagreements. I wasn't really aware of them at the time. Danny (who I only met a few times) was rarely if ever around the school. Part of the reason for my participating here is to reconnect with the martial arts community and culture that I loved. Its been a long time since this all occurred and as I said, for all practical purposes, American Arnis is dead as a system. - - - - Message: 1 From: "Danny Anderson" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 17:06:21 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] RE: Answers re: American Arnis Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi David, There is one thing left out of the history of American Arnis and that is it royally pissed Remy off. I was in the Pacific Northwest when it occurred and was in communication with Danny DiVito as well. Mike was one of his students at the time. I remember Remy getting very hot about it. I never met Jeff but from all accounts, he was talented. Yours, Dan Anderson -- __--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 14:18:54 -0500 From: WoodyTX To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Off topic, but what the hey. This is too good to pass up Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Does this finally put to rest the question of whether it's the art or the intent/aggression with which it is applied? Also, this story puts a new meaning to the phrase, "fights like a girl". Woody On 10/3/05, Todd Ellner wrote: > http://www.wtop.com/?sid=583306&nid=25 > > Kidnapping Suspect Was Girls' Martial Arts Instructor > Updated: Monday, Oct. 3, 2005 - 2:20 PM > VIENNA, Va. - A frightening experience for twin 10-year-old girls allegedly > involving a man who had taught the girls martial arts at a school in Vienna. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > [Todd says: Way to go girls! And what a LUS3R!] > [Not only will he go to jail as a _failed_ baby > raper, he'll have to live down being beat up by > a pair of ten year old girls. *chuckle* *chortle* > *BWAHAHAHAHAHAH*] --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 15:38:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Kohn To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Silat Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Folks, As I know many of you practice Indonesian Silat in addition to FMAs, I have a question. I saw a video a few years back where a well known, high level Silat practitioner dealt with a knife attack with a (suicidal) spinning heel hook kick to the knife hand. Could that actually be an option for what purports to be a blade based art? I mean...it can't possibly be, can it? Someone please help me understand what I saw. Is this a part of a system anyone here practices? I'm not a master of anything, but that move frightened the hell out of me! -S --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 20:23:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Kohn Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: "Dead" Patterns To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Al, I'm with you for the most part, but let me clarify a bit. "Strange angles" will eventually show up in training, but compared to a nice, clean numbering system, they are more like fine print to the broader strokes of say, a "traditional" 12 count numbering system. I use assorted patterns that emphasize different energies and concepts and try to introduce them a little at a time. At a certain point in a students training, I find that I can start to throw stranger angles/energies at them with no advanced warning providing we've drilled what I'm throwing at them at some point in their development. I agree with you in that when learning music, you learn patterns and then forget them in an attempt to write songs and ultimately develop your own patterns of communication through music. These types of patterns are more commonly known as style. This type of learning has a direct correlation with learning martial arts and is what initially made me fascinated with the FMAs. I see no fundamental differences in the learning processes of either art. While were on the subject, another similar aspect of both arts is that you find some people that are hung up on doing things like their heroes (i.e. Bruce Lee fans or Jimi Hendrix fans) and others that want to spend more time researching and contributing to their art. Whether or not I succeed at it, I try to be a part of the latter group. I find more gratification in emulation rather than imitation. That is to say, I want to do things at a high level, like my heroes, but in my own way because I do not think as they do and I don't care to waste valuable time trying. Regards, Steve Al Sardinas wrote: In my opinion, there are no "dead" patterns. Patterns like the basic music scales and chords serve their purpose. Regarding strange angles, who says one can not have or develop a pattern for them. Once a musician starts making actual music, it becomes a pattern be it strange or not. That's the beauty of music! The beauty of FMA's. Respectfully, Al Sardinas Student of The Garimot System of Arnis _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 05:12:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Punong Guro Steven Dowd To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Seminar Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Greetings to all. Arnis Balite Seminar 28 Oct in Dedham, Ma. and 30 Oct in Wilmington, DE. Check out seminar page for details on the Arnis Balite website. Bottom of main page www.arnisbalite.com www.arnisbalite.com --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Mike Casto" To: Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Silat Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 10:42:02 -0400 Organization: I.M.P.A.C.T. Academy of Martial Arts Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net It's nothing that would be used in any of the Silat systems I've been exposed to. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Steve Kohn [mailto:musilat2@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 6:38 PM To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Silat Hi Folks, As I know many of you practice Indonesian Silat in addition to FMAs, I have a question. I saw a video a few years back where a well known, high level Silat practitioner dealt with a knife attack with a (suicidal) spinning heel hook kick to the knife hand. Could that actually be an option for what purports to be a blade based art? I mean...it can't possibly be, can it? Someone please help me understand what I saw. Is this a part of a system anyone here practices? I'm not a master of anything, but that move frightened the hell out of me! -S --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "ray man" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 16:59:01 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Indonesian Silat Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Community, I am looking for an Indonesian Silat or any Silat school in the Birmingham - UK ( or West Midlands area) if anybody knows any schools or has any contacts please forward me the info: Thanks Regards Ray >From: Steve Kohn >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Subject: [Eskrima] Silat >Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 15:38:12 -0700 (PDT) > >Hi Folks, > >As I know many of you practice Indonesian Silat in addition to FMAs, I have >a question. I saw a video a few years back where a well known, high level >Silat practitioner dealt with a knife attack with a (suicidal) spinning >heel hook kick to the knife hand. Could that actually be an option for what >purports to be a blade based art? I mean...it can't possibly be, can it? > >Someone please help me understand what I saw. Is this a part of a system >anyone here practices? I'm not a master of anything, but that move >frightened the hell out of me! > >-S > > >--------------------------------- >Yahoo! for Good > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest