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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2200 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. RE: Silat (Daniel Arola) 2. RE: Silat (Joseph Marana) 3. Re: Silat (Andrew Astle) 4. Crosstraining in Krav Maga (Anthony C) 5. RE: David - American Arnis (Danny Anderson) 6. Re: Off topic, but what the hey. This is too good to pass up (BSutter) 7. Choosing rattan sticks best suited for you. (dvljr1@verizon.net) 8. Gathering of the Tribes 2005 seminar (Van Harn, Steve) 9. Re: Choosing rattan sticks best suited for you. (Steve Ames) 10. Steve Kohn -the kick disarm? (David Riggs) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 11:24:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel Arola Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Silat To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net wow, I never seen a move like that before on a Silat tape before...... interesting Daniel Arola Mike Casto wrote: It's nothing that would be used in any of the Silat systems I've been exposed to. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Steve Kohn [mailto:musilat2@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 6:38 PM To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Silat Hi Folks, As I know many of you practice Indonesian Silat in addition to FMAs, I have a question. I saw a video a few years back where a well known, high level Silat practitioner dealt with a knife attack with a (suicidal) spinning heel hook kick to the knife hand. Could that actually be an option for what purports to be a blade based art? I mean...it can't possibly be, can it? Someone please help me understand what I saw. Is this a part of a system anyone here practices? I'm not a master of anything, but that move frightened the hell out of me! -S --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 12:59:40 -0700 From: "Joseph Marana" Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Silat To: Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Steve, I have often heard Guro Dan Inosanto talk about the importance of distinguishing techniques from tactics. He has also said that everything has its place and time. In this case, it sounds like that particular technique is not something that you (nor I) would employ as a tactical response to something like a knife attack. Guro Dan's Majapahit silat classes do employ spinning hooking kicks however I have never seen them used for that purpose and I would guess that Guro Dan would probably advocate for alternative techniques against a knife attack before resorting to a spinning hook kick. So in my experience, a kick like that does exist in a system of silat I studied however it was not used in that context. I do believe that spinning hook kicks certainly can be valuable, given the right place and time. What works for some however may not work for everyone. Joe -----Original Message----- From: Steve Kohn [mailto:musilat2@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 6:38 PM To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Silat Hi Folks, As I know many of you practice Indonesian Silat in addition to FMAs, I have a question. I saw a video a few years back where a well known, high level Silat practitioner dealt with a knife attack with a (suicidal) spinning heel hook kick to the knife hand. Could that actually be an option for what purports to be a blade based art? I mean...it can't possibly be, can it? Someone please help me understand what I saw. Is this a part of a system anyone here practices? I'm not a master of anything, but that move frightened the hell out of me! -S --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 16:17:40 -0400 From: Andrew Astle To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Silat Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Steve Kohn wrote: >Hi Folks, > >As I know many of you practice Indonesian Silat in addition to FMAs, I have a question. I saw a video a few years back where a well known, high level Silat practitioner dealt with a knife attack with a (suicidal) spinning heel hook kick to the knife hand. Could that actually be an option for what purports to be a blade based art? I mean...it can't possibly be, can it? > >Someone please help me understand what I saw. Is this a part of a system anyone here practices? I'm not a master of anything, but that move frightened the hell out of me! > >-S > > >--------------------------------- >Yahoo! for Good > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > > > > Certainly not in Pentjak Silat Serak or Maphilindo Silat that I've ever seen. Pak Vic would say something like, "Bad juju for you to do something like that!". Andy --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 15:09:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Anthony C To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Crosstraining in Krav Maga Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello Everyone, I'm thinking about augmenting my FMA training with some time with a high quality Krav Maga instrutor. Has anyone else tried this combination? If yes, how did it work for you? Can anyone suggest a top drawer Krav Maga instructor in the Dallas-Fort Worth area? Preferably more toward Northeast Tarrant County if possible. Thanks for the input. - Anthony __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Danny Anderson" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 00:00:18 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] RE: David - American Arnis Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Message: 2 Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 08:58:41 -0400 From: David  Riggs To: Eskrima mail list Subject: [Eskrima] Pissed re American Arnis Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net "Part of the reason for my participating here is to reconnect with the martial arts community and culture that I loved." David, Amen, brother.  Welcome back. Yours, Dan Anderson --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 23:35:50 -0400 From: BSutter To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Off topic, but what the hey. This is too good to pass up Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > That is absolutely hilarious! Good for the girls. _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 00:45:21 -0500 (CDT) From: To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Choosing rattan sticks best suited for you. Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi All, This is my first post here. I have just started escrima 2 weeks ago and my first pair of garrotes are already toast (cheap starter ones, no skin). I went to the local martial arts supply store and was just stunned at the different sizes, weights, and diameters. After about 45 minutes of twirling, I picked out a pair that felt robust enough, yet lightweight. I was wondering how everyone else picks theirs out. What do you look for? What don't you want? Thanks in advance, Jay --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Van Harn, Steve" To: "Eskrima Digest (E-mail)" Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 07:28:20 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] Gathering of the Tribes 2005 seminar Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Innovative Martial Arts will be hosting the third annual Silat Zulfikari > Gathering of the Tribes seminar on Oct 14-16 in Grand Rapid, Mi. > > Styles to be covered will be Pentjak Silat Zulfikari, Arnis, Kenpo, South > African blade work, and San Yun Do as well as a variety of Empty Hand and > Weapons Close Quarter Combatives. > Friday will begin with an evening "get ta know ya", Saturday is training > 9-5 followed by the potluck/bonfire and possible fullcontact stick for > those interested. Sunday will be "Martial Arts and Healing, restoring the > body after working out". Seminar Instructors will be Mushtaq Ali al > Ansari, Soke Phil Lewis, Sensei's Chuck Pippen & Don Young(hosts), myself > and Michael Blackgrave from Texas. Also some possible additional guest > instructors from out of town. > Cost is $50. Also handmade live blades from the African work will be available for purchase as well as training blades. > Contact Chuck at 616-364-0019 or triharmony@comcast.net, for more details. > Instructor details and a flyer are available at > www.innovativemartialarts.com as well. > > These gatherings are notoriously ego free. > > Steve Van Harn --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 08:55:39 -0500 From: Steve Ames To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Choosing rattan sticks best suited for you. Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net On Thu, Oct 06, 2005 at 12:45:21AM -0500, dvljr1@verizon.net wrote: > Hi All, > > This is my first post here. I have just started escrima 2 weeks ago > and my first pair of garrotes are already toast (cheap starter ones, > no skin). I went to the local martial arts supply store and was just > stunned at the different sizes, weights, and diameters. After about > 45 minutes of twirling, I picked out a pair that felt robust enough, > yet lightweight. I was wondering how everyone else picks theirs out. > What do you look for? What don't you want? I want a local MA store as cool as yours! Wow. Best I can find locally are some crappy poser sticks designed to look good instead of stand up to abuse. No selection at all. Wow. I ususally order online. Length & Diameter seem to be personal preference. Normally I'd say a thicker stick will last longer but I have some 3/4" sticks that seem to be holding in there longer than the thicker 1" sticks. With rattan you generally start getting a little bit of splitting. I just wrap those splits in hocky tape and keep swinging. Doesn't sound as nice when you clash sticks with someone but they'll last way longer taped. -steve --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 10:00:24 -0400 From: David Riggs To: Eskrima mail list Subject: [Eskrima] Steve Kohn -the kick disarm? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I've often seen that kind of defense taught in non-weapon MA's. The problem is always the likelihood of the knife turning and slashing or stabbing the leg (okay --so Im stating the obvious. Shoot me! Er... But that leads to another ridiculous series of what ifs) Kicking a weapon free from an opponent's hand only works when you outclass or surprise your opponent. You have to catch him really flat footed. That being said, The leg has a lot more mass and reach to damage the opponent. If I were to apply said tech. I'd probably addapt it to strike at a control point (nearer the elbow of the attacking limb). The central position and smaller range of motion make it a more effective target with the same net result. My two cents. David PS: If this doesn't work you can always take the knife -imbedded in your leg- home. Finders keepers. On 10/6/05 6:00 AM, "eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net" wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Kohn [mailto:musilat2@yahoo.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 6:38 PM > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Subject: [Eskrima] Silat > > Hi Folks, > > As I know many of you practice Indonesian Silat in addition to FMAs, I have > a question. I saw a video a few years back where a well known, high level > Silat practitioner dealt with a knife attack with a (suicidal) spinning heel > hook kick to the knife hand. Could that actually be an option for what > purports to be a blade based art? I mean...it can't possibly be, can it? > > Someone please help me understand what I saw. Is this a part of a system > anyone here practices? I'm not a master of anything, but that move > frightened the hell out of me! > > -S > > > --------------------------------- --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest