Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 03:01:41 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 12 #337 - 8 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2200 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Choosing rattan sticks best suited for you. (A. Van Meter) 2. Re: Off topic, but what the hey. This is too good to pass up (A. Van Meter) 3. RE: Silat (Mike Casto) 4. RE: Silat (abreton@juno.com) 5. Music question (Brian Hamilton) 6. Re: Silat (Todd Ellner) 7. Re: Silat (Steve Kohn) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 09:15:04 -0700 From: "A. Van Meter" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Choosing rattan sticks best suited for you. Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hey, welcome to the list/art. I think what you want to look for is something durable and substantial, which fits in your hand comfortably and securely. Me, after a few weeks of using borrowed sticks to get an idea of what I like, I went to a caning shop, bought a nine foot long pole (1.25 inch thick), and cut it into two 36 inch sticks and two 18 inch batons.Then I burned them myself on an electric stove top. Total cost for the pole was twenty bucks, by the way. Turns out that the sticks were way too large and heavy for a beginner like me, but so far they've survived nearly a year of training and feel almost lightweight, so I suppose I've grown into them. Also, I use the legs of a junky rattan stool, torn off and sanded, wrapped in tape. They've taken a lot of abuse and the only expense was the roll of tape. Same for a staff I carry, which is a found piece of bamboo, wrapped in about three layers of duct tape (it had broken spots). Haha, someone else's trash, but martial arts supplies to a poor guy like me. --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 09:17:49 -0700 From: "A. Van Meter" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Off topic, but what the hey. This is too good to pass up Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Those girls beat up their teacher at ten years old in a real life situation? That's awesome. --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Mike Casto" To: Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Silat Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 13:12:02 -0400 Organization: I.M.P.A.C.T. Academy of Martial Arts Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Absolutely. I've seen (and used) that type of kick in a variety of situations. But I've not seen it used against a knife in any of the Silat that I've seen. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Joseph Marana [mailto:jmarana@verizon.net] Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 4:00 PM To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Silat Steve, I have often heard Guro Dan Inosanto talk about the importance of distinguishing techniques from tactics. He has also said that everything has its place and time. In this case, it sounds like that particular technique is not something that you (nor I) would employ as a tactical response to something like a knife attack. Guro Dan's Majapahit silat classes do employ spinning hooking kicks however I have never seen them used for that purpose and I would guess that Guro Dan would probably advocate for alternative techniques against a knife attack before resorting to a spinning hook kick. So in my experience, a kick like that does exist in a system of silat I studied however it was not used in that context. I do believe that spinning hook kicks certainly can be valuable, given the right place and time. What works for some however may not work for everyone. Joe -----Original Message----- From: Steve Kohn [mailto:musilat2@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 6:38 PM To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Silat Hi Folks, As I know many of you practice Indonesian Silat in addition to FMAs, I have a question. I saw a video a few years back where a well known, high level Silat practitioner dealt with a knife attack with a (suicidal) spinning heel hook kick to the knife hand. Could that actually be an option for what purports to be a blade based art? I mean...it can't possibly be, can it? Someone please help me understand what I saw. Is this a part of a system anyone here practices? I'm not a master of anything, but that move frightened the hell out of me! -S --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "abreton@juno.com" Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 18:27:12 GMT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Silat Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Ditto here. I've seen some flashy kicks and leg manuevers in some silat styles, particularly the Minankabau people and their various systems of silat. However, ask the guru to demo a practical defense against a knife, and they'll switch to something you're probably more familiar with. Andy -- "Joseph Marana" wrote: Steve, I have often heard Guro Dan Inosanto talk about the importance of distinguishing techniques from tactics. He has also said that everything has its place and time. In this case, it sounds like that particular technique is not something that you (nor I) would employ as a tactical response to something like a knife attack. Guro Dan's Majapahit silat classes do employ spinning hooking kicks however I have never seen them used for that purpose and I would guess that Guro Dan would probably advocate for alternative techniques against a knife attack before resorting to a spinning hook kick. --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 11:34:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Hamilton To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Music question Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net How many here are musicians? I hear alot of people on here using music as relations. I do it too actually. For example; I like to think of hits as notes and to fit them into a bar. I find that idea really helps people get the idea of 1/2 beat hits and such, especially if they understand time signatures. I wonder if learning music, something that is abstract yet can be quantified (witten music), helps us do the same thing here in the arts. food for thought -Brian __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 11:40:09 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) From: "Todd Ellner" To: Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Silat Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Steve writes: >As I know many of you practice Indonesian Silat in addition to FMAs, I have >a question. I saw a video a few years back where a well known, high level >Silat practitioner dealt with a knife attack with a (suicidal) spinning >heel hook kick to the knife hand. Could that actually be an option for what >purports to be a blade based art? I mean...it can't possibly be, can it? > >Someone please help me understand what I saw. Is this a part of a system >anyone here practices? I'm not a master of anything, but that move >frightened the hell out of me! I have never heard of anything like that in any Silat I am familiar with. --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 12:49:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Kohn Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Silat To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Andy, Yeah...I've never seen that sort of thing used in any type of traditional Silat. While were on the subject of Silat knife, can anyone tell me who practices Indonesian knife methods? I always hear that Silat is a blade based art, but have yet to see any examples that weren't based on Filipino methods. Based on the footage I've seen, Cass Magda, a proponent of traditional Silat, used to always defer to Filipino knife techniques in his seminars. The late Herman Suwanda has allegedly told people the he liked Filipino knife techniques more than his native Indonesian knife curriculum. Can anyone out there make comparisons between the different methods? With the exception of Herman Suwanda, I've never seen anyone demo Silat knife and have always wondered why. -Steve Andrew Astle wrote: Steve Kohn wrote: >Hi Folks, > >As I know many of you practice Indonesian Silat in addition to FMAs, I have a question. I saw a video a few years back where a well known, high level Silat practitioner dealt with a knife attack with a (suicidal) spinning heel hook kick to the knife hand. Could that actually be an option for what purports to be a blade based art? I mean...it can't possibly be, can it? > >Someone please help me understand what I saw. Is this a part of a system anyone here practices? I'm not a master of anything, but that move frightened the hell out of me! > >-S > > >--------------------------------- >Yahoo! for Good > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > > > > Certainly not in Pentjak Silat Serak or Maphilindo Silat that I've ever seen. Pak Vic would say something like, "Bad juju for you to do something like that!". Andy _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest