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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2200 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. RE: Choosing rattan sticks best suited for you. (Mike Casto) 2. RE: Silat (Mike Casto) 3. Choosing baston (David Riggs) 4. Re: Music question (Daniel Arola) 5. Re: Music question (WoodyTX) 6. Re: Steve Kohn -the kick disarm? (WoodyTX) 7. Re: Music question (dvljr1@verizon.net) 8. picking sticks (jason couture) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Mike Casto" To: Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Choosing rattan sticks best suited for you. Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 13:14:31 -0400 Organization: I.M.P.A.C.T. Academy of Martial Arts Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I look primarily for density. I judge this by feeling weight compared to length/diameter. I find that, in general, the denser the sticks are, the longer they hold up to abuse. Mike -----Original Message----- From: dvljr1@verizon.net [mailto:dvljr1@verizon.net] Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 1:45 AM To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Choosing rattan sticks best suited for you. Hi All, This is my first post here. I have just started escrima 2 weeks ago and my first pair of garrotes are already toast (cheap starter ones, no skin). I went to the local martial arts supply store and was just stunned at the different sizes, weights, and diameters. After about 45 minutes of twirling, I picked out a pair that felt robust enough, yet lightweight. I was wondering how everyone else picks theirs out. What do you look for? What don't you want? Thanks in advance, Jay _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Mike Casto" To: Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Silat Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 16:28:34 -0400 Organization: I.M.P.A.C.T. Academy of Martial Arts Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I've seen Indonesian knife work from Willem de Thouars, Victor de Thouars, Herman Suwanda, and a man named Danny (from Java) whose last name is eluding me right now. What I've seen has been similar to what I've seen in the FMA but with a different flavor. I think it's not taught out much because the traditional training method was, "OK. I'm going to attack you. You try not to die." The student would learn through trial and error but then that student would be hard-pressed to teach the knowledge in an easily presentable format. It's more of a private lesson, learn by feel kind of situation. In fact, from what I've heard, this was often true in some of the "old school" FMA, too. I think there's more of a standard curriculum in the FMA (at least in America) because it's had wider exposure through groups of people who are good at developing such things. But I'm just making an educated guess based on what I've seen. I could be completely wrong. There may well be some very structured Indonesian knife curriculums out there that I haven't seen ... even some of the instructors I've trained with might have one that I haven't seen. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Steve Kohn [mailto:musilat2@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 3:50 PM To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Silat Andy, Yeah...I've never seen that sort of thing used in any type of traditional Silat. While were on the subject of Silat knife, can anyone tell me who practices Indonesian knife methods? I always hear that Silat is a blade based art, but have yet to see any examples that weren't based on Filipino methods. Based on the footage I've seen, Cass Magda, a proponent of traditional Silat, used to always defer to Filipino knife techniques in his seminars. The late Herman Suwanda has allegedly told people the he liked Filipino knife techniques more than his native Indonesian knife curriculum. Can anyone out there make comparisons between the different methods? With the exception of Herman Suwanda, I've never seen anyone demo Silat knife and have always wondered why. -Steve Andrew Astle wrote: Steve Kohn wrote: >Hi Folks, > >As I know many of you practice Indonesian Silat in addition to FMAs, I have a question. I saw a video a few years back where a well known, high level Silat practitioner dealt with a knife attack with a (suicidal) spinning heel hook kick to the knife hand. Could that actually be an option for what purports to be a blade based art? I mean...it can't possibly be, can it? > >Someone please help me understand what I saw. Is this a part of a system anyone here practices? I'm not a master of anything, but that move frightened the hell out of me! > >-S > > >--------------------------------- >Yahoo! for Good > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > > > > Certainly not in Pentjak Silat Serak or Maphilindo Silat that I've ever seen. Pak Vic would say something like, "Bad juju for you to do something like that!". Andy _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 16:47:10 -0400 From: David Riggs To: Eskrima mail list Subject: [Eskrima] Choosing baston Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Im usually dissappointed with the canes available from martial arts supply stores. Here are the criteria I use. Weight (density) of rattan is more important than diameter. Look at the ends of the canes and see if there are airpockets or pinpricks at the end (unfinished ends). I had a pair that I taught lord knows how many hours with. They were small being around 3/4 inch across but had almost no pinholes at the end of the cane. The size doesnąt matter. Choose a diameter that fits your hand well. Finish is secondary. Choose sticks that have their outer skin in tact. Manmade coatings (laquer varithane and the like) are there to simulate the natural hardness god gave them. Count to three. The more nodes (growth rings) the better. Rattan is a vine and it is densest here. If you can get your hands on raw cane and want to treat it yourself. Choose based on the above and then trim the nodes by sliding a knife under the growth rings and shaving them off. Then fire harden (you can do this over a gas range - use hot pads). Be careful not to blacken the rattan. You want it to become golden. A trick we used to use to rejuvenate canes was to stand them point down in a small bowl of natural vegetable oil. The natural structure of the vine sucks up the oil, bloating the fibers. This keeps the vine structure elastic darkens them and makes them heavier. Flip on altrenate nights to keep them from becoming heavy at one end only. Good luck. On 10/6/05 3:21 PM, "eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net" wrote: > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 00:45:21 -0500 (CDT) > From: > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Subject: [Eskrima] Choosing rattan sticks best suited for you. > Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > Hi All, > > This is my first post here. I have just started escrima 2 weeks ago and my > first pair of garrotes are already toast (cheap starter ones, no skin). I > went to the local martial arts supply store and was just stunned at the > different sizes, weights, and diameters. After about 45 minutes of twirling, > I picked out a pair that felt robust enough, yet lightweight. I was wondering > how everyone else picks theirs out. What do you look for? What don't you > want? > > Thanks in advance, > > Jay --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 14:39:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel Arola Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Music question To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I always play music on the cd player during training. The rythm training helps alot. Daniel Arola Brian Hamilton wrote: How many here are musicians? I hear alot of people on here using music as relations. I do it too actually. For example; I like to think of hits as notes and to fit them into a bar. I find that idea really helps people get the idea of 1/2 beat hits and such, especially if they understand time signatures. I wonder if learning music, something that is abstract yet can be quantified (witten music), helps us do the same thing here in the arts. food for thought -Brian __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 17:08:05 -0500 From: WoodyTX To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Music question Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net You should go back and re-read the earlier thread on music. I believe it was six months to a year back. I had to bail out when someone wanted to use some of Dave Brubeck's rhythms (5/4, 9/8, etc). Woody On 10/6/05, Brian Hamilton wrote: > How many here are musicians? I hear alot of people on > here using music as relations. I do it too actually. > For example; I like to think of hits as notes and to > fit them into a bar. I find that idea really helps > people get the idea of 1/2 beat hits and such, > especially if they understand time signatures. > > I wonder if learning music, something that is abstract > yet can be quantified (witten music), helps us do the > same thing here in the arts. > > food for thought > > -Brian --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 16:59:56 -0500 From: WoodyTX To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Steve Kohn -the kick disarm? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I thought a quick snap-kick to the wrist when the attacker was _totally_ distracted would work. It has worked a few times in sparring, but never at full speed with an aware opponent. Woody On 10/6/05, David Riggs wrote: > If > I were to apply said tech. I'd probably addapt it to strike at a control > point (nearer the elbow of the attacking limb). The central position and > smaller range of motion make it a more effective target with the same net > result. > > My two cents. > David --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 17:30:33 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Music question To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I used to practice ballroom dancing and I feel that it has helped me alot with the footwork and counting. At first ballroom dancing seems rigid (ie step here, quarter turn there etc.) but if you have ever seen the older generation freestyle ballroom, they have many options to on what to do next whether it be a spin or simply a pause to let another couple pass by. I think it's the sameway with escrima...you do something depending on what the opponent does. Did that come across clearly? BTW,I've been in choir so I know what you mean about beats,tempo, etc. Jay >From: Brian Hamilton >Date: Thu Oct 06 13:34:59 CDT 2005 >To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Subject: [Eskrima] Music question >How many here are musicians? I hear alot of people on >here using music as relations. I do it too actually. >For example; I like to think of hits as notes and to >fit them into a bar. I find that idea really helps >people get the idea of 1/2 beat hits and such, >especially if they understand time signatures. > >I wonder if learning music, something that is abstract >yet can be quantified (witten music), helps us do the >same thing here in the arts. > >food for thought > >-Brian > > > >__________________________________ >Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 >http://mail.yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 15:49:41 -0700 (PDT) From: jason couture To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] picking sticks Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hey Jay, Picking out sticks depends on what style of fighting you want to play. Light sticks are good for very quick witick strikes or abanico but, lack in power or that kill shot thump needed to rattle someones bones. Thick heavy sticks are good for the thump but, are tough to land the shot when you want to because of the difference in weight. Your mind will say "NOW!" but, your arm will still be swinging. If you want to use thick sticks you have to train with sticks that are thicker and heavier then what you would normally use for class or fight with. When you transition over to your "class" sticks or your "fighting" sticks your thick sticks won't feel so heavy. Get it? Now about length. I like 28''-30'' sticks. They give me a comfortable reach. I still feel like I can fully control the stick at a high rate of speed. The longer the stick, the further away you can be to do damage (which is what you want). This works very well when your enemy plays with a shorter stick. You still have to know what your doing, though! A skilled player with a short stick will get inside your defense and rip you up. Let's talk about what you want your stick to be made of. Rattan is great for everyday play. It's a tough wood but, get ones with the skin still on 'em. This adds to the toughness. The amount of "nodes" the rattan has adds to it's toughness also. Hickory makes a good stick. It's heavy and can take a beating. It's a good one to go with if you don't like "nodes" on your stick. If you want a good fighting stick, my vote goes to bahi. It's heavy and tough. The kind of stick needed to break bone. Hope this is a help to you. Good-luck with your studies in the FMA! -Jason Couture **JASON COUTURE** __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest