Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 03:00:55 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 12 #341 - 3 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. re: Silat (Jonathan Kessler) 2. SEA Games (Ray) 3. Steve and Silat Knife (Andrew Astle) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 09:57:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Jonathan Kessler Subject: [Eskrima] re: Silat To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net And that brings us back nicely to the connection between music and martial arts (and probably many other things, but I'll stick with connecting to those two). You can tell a lot about a teacher (or music or MA) by whether, when teaching, his aim is to give you techniques you can learn and use, or to fill you full of awe of his skill by showing you the flashy cool things *he* can do. JK "Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscripti catapultas habebunt." ___________________________________________________ From: "Marc MacYoung" To: Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 09:07:16 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] re: Silat Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Joseph Marana > I have often heard Guro Dan Inosanto talk about the importance of > distinguishing techniques from tactics. There is a statement that is really worth looking into the implications. Not only is it a precise summation, but it is a VERY important differienation that many people don't even realize exists. He has also said that everything > has its place and time. In this case, it sounds like that particular > technique is not something that you (nor I) would employ as a tactical > response to something like a knife attack. Might I also point out another issue here. Many years ago Peyton Quinn and I were sitting around doing fatal damage to some alcohol talking about video production standards. His summation was that there are two different types of MA videos, informative (those that teach you how to do something) and demonstrative (those that show you what kind of groovy cool things you can do if you come and study with the grand poobah). --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Ray To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 12:05:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Eskrima] SEA Games Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sport delegations to SEA Games and Asian Indoor Games decided The Vietnam Committee for Sports and Physical Education on October 6 issued a decision to set up Vietnamese sport delegations to the forthcoming 23rd SEA Games in the Philippines and the first Asian Indoor Games in Thailand, reported the Sports Daily. The newspaper said that Vietnam would send a 761-member sport delegation to the Philippines, with 45 cadres and doctors, 188 officials and 528 athletes. Nguyen Hong Minh, head of the Department of High record Sports, will lead the delegation to the 23rd SEA Games from November 17 to December 5. Athletes will compete in aquasports, including swimming, diving and waterpolo; weightlifting; gymnastics, including artistic and rhythmic gymnastics; sport aerobic; dance sport; canoeing; rowing; boat racing; shooting; archery; boxing; judo; fencing; wrestling; track and field; pencak silat; arnis; cycling; taekwondo; karatedo; chess; wushu; billiards and snooker; badminton; tennis; table tennis; sepak takraw; petanque; volleyball; basketball; golf, bowling and football. --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 21:49:56 -0400 From: Andrew Astle To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Steve and Silat Knife Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Steve, Hmm, you say you you've never seen silat knife (pisau)? Pak Victor de Thouars has the following resources: There are 3 videos on the Serak Pisau jurus 1-6, 7-12, 13-18. Pak Vic talks about the basic theories of Serak blade on these as well. 2 of the 5 Combat Silat DVDs he produced "Blitzing Blades" and "Blitzing Blades and Hands" are excellent demonstrations of different aspects of Serak knife work. Finally, he created "Blades of Thunder" with Steve Gartin and Jerry McCleary, which also shows an excellent overview of the pisau in Serak. Serak does not like to disarm, we like to simultaneous strike and control. Serak does not like to do "passing" or flow drills like that I learned in Lacoste/Inosanto Kali, trying to bring things immediately to an end is stressed. Serak has forced me abandon some of the things I was taught in Kali. One great way I weeded out "unworkable" defenses was by testing them out with a simple thrust and retraction, which one of the ways we are trained in Serak. So much of what I was taught was by simply leaving the blade out there. What is of more interest is the offensive use of the blade in Serak, which is truly frightening. More time is spent on this than on defense. Serak excels in the offensive use of the blade. However Mr. Marc MacYoung's comments on using the blade yourself are applicable here, its hard to see how you will stay out of prison! Serak's theory is that you do not "fight" your opponent with the knife, you bring and end to the violent offender. I highly recommend Pak Vic's resources, as the use of the pisau differs considerably (such as holding the knife edge up) from FMA. If you live on the East Coast I'm hosting him out here in New York state in a couple of weeks if anyone would like to see Pak Vic teach the pisau in person. Hope this helps. Guro Andrew Astle --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest