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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2200 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. RE: Silat and Steve and Me (Mike Casto) 2. Re: Music question (neil.s@dslextreme.com) 3. Molave sticks (Kel620@aol.com) 4. Stick materials: Guava wood question (Marc Denny) 5. Re: Stick materials: Guava wood question (Daniel Arola) 6. re:silat (John Bonifazio) 7. RE: SEA Games (Ken Borowiec) 8. Re: SEA Games (Ray) 9. Re: Stick materials: Guava wood question (jay de leon) 10. RE: Silat and Steve and Me (jay de leon) 11. Re: Re: stick materials (Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Mike Casto" To: Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Silat and Steve and Me Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 00:12:30 -0400 Organization: I.M.P.A.C.T. Academy of Martial Arts Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Not surprising that our methodologies match given that my primary background comes from Inosanto blend and I also trained in Serak with Pak Vic for several years :-) I don't feel that the legality of "return to sender" is questionable at all. If someone is attacking me with a knife and the knife is still in their hand when I "return" it then it's still very much self-defense. If, on the other hand, I disarm it and then cut/stab him with it then I've crossed the line to become the attacker. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Astle [mailto:aastle@twcny.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 11:08 PM To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Silat and Steve and Me Mr. Mike Casto, You have exactly summed up the way I teach the blade to my students in Lacoste/Inosanto kali-silat. That is also the way Serak approaches the blade but we *generally* finish by a sambut (sambut = eradication) or "return to sender" rather than a disarm. This is not to say there is no disarming, just that the stress on them is not there. The legality of this approach is very questionable, of course. Training for a surprise attack is very common (since that is the way the Serak person deploys the pisau), where the trainer uses an attack with a retraction.Serak takes the blade extremely seriously and silat in general sees the use of the blade as an assassination attempt, not fighting per se. Andrew _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 03:20:18 -0700 (PDT) From: neil.s@dslextreme.com To: "eskrima@martialartsresource.net" Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Music question Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net The coooool thing about sticking with a metronome for me (or any kind of constant tick/beat etc) is that you get hear/feel the little moments of "in-between" the beats. Having a musical understanding did help me understand this concept quicker, however when explained by my ever so informative senior to a friend of mine who is soo not musiclay inclined was still able to understand as well. Its when you start to get into the stick clicking rhythm when you can start to feel the in-between beats.. try it next time your doing 6 count with someone, youll prolly notice the first hit and 3rd hit tend to accent naturally, try accenting on the backhands so it sounds like click-CLICK-click and then have the other feeder hit and accent on the first hit then put in an inbetween fast backhand (sounds like click-Click-click-click-click) while you do the regular 6 count.. anyway yall can mix it up to whatever you can think of, you know, new patterns to break old ones = ) , maybe the next time I go to a drum circle I'll just bring sticks and a friend heheh Neil www.powerpointmartialarts.com Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Music question Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Steve Kohn wrote: "One thing I like to do is to teach 6 count sinawali drills as sixteenth note triplets and sometimes even go as far as practicing with a metronome to smooth out certain drills." Ah, yes. But what about adding the "accents"? :-) --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Kel620@aol.com Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 08:42:45 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Molave sticks Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Return-path: From: Kel620@aol.com Full-name: Kel620 Message-ID: <13d.1d91816c.307e5e83@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 08:41:39 EDT Subject: Molave sticks To: Kes41355@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 2340 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 0.98e X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Dear Guro Satterfield: I'd be interested in your friends contact info. I've never tried a molave stick. Salamat, Kelvin Williams --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Marc Denny" To: Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 06:02:23 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Stick materials: Guava wood question Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Woof All: Could someone please tell me the characteristics of guava wood? TIA, Crafty Dog --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 07:10:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel Arola Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Stick materials: Guava wood question To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I remember a guava tree that grew in the yard where I lived with my Grandparents in La Union province in the P.I. The wood is very flexible and strong and is very hard and thick yet light enough for speed. Guava wood was my personal preference for a fighting stick. They're hard to break. And they hurt! Daniel Arola Marc Denny wrote: Woof All: Could someone please tell me the characteristics of guava wood? TIA, Crafty Dog _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 07:19:41 -0700 (PDT) From: John Bonifazio To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] re:silat Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Steve, To elaborate just a bit further. In Sera there are many building blocks which take time and practice to ingrain. Each step can't be compromised or the final product will be as well. I'm just a student, but seems to me one needs to understand one's body via the movements (Djurus). Once you can perform the movement the teacher slowly gives you understanding into what you can accomplish with it. Then you need to learn how to get from point A to point B so you can use the movement dynamically. When you can use your motion at the proper range, then knife training is taught. This takes substantial time, and like I said most people bail out before then. It's old martial art, the training methodology has not been lost to sport or ego. Can't say I ever seen what we learn on any tape or in any book. Also, the teacher would not like it if he gives out Silat knife to all, and the next thing you know there is some yahoo calling it knifekwando, and has little understanding of what he is doing. Usually I stay quiet, but it gets old hearing people go on and on about stuff they have not seen, but think they know. If you want silat knife, study hard under Guru Stevan Plinck for at least 5 years. It's worth it! John __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 7 Subject: RE: [Eskrima] SEA Games Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 13:16:19 -0400 From: "Ken Borowiec" To: Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Sport delegations to SEA Games and Asian Indoor Games decided >The Vietnam Committee for Sports and Physical Education on October 6 issued a decision to set up Vietnamese sport >delegations to the forthcoming 23rd SEA Games in the Philippines and the first Asian Indoor Games in Thailand, reported >the Sports Daily. Where can I find more info on this? Ken --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray Subject: Re: [Eskrima] SEA Games To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 11:20:53 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > >Sport delegations to SEA Games and Asian Indoor Games decided > > >The Vietnam Committee for Sports and Physical Education on October 6 > issued a decision to set up Vietnamese sport > >delegations to the forthcoming 23rd SEA Games in the Philippines and > the first Asian Indoor Games in Thailand, reported > >the Sports Daily. > > Where can I find more info on this? Try a search for SEA Games on news.google.com. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 11:43:38 -0700 (PDT) From: jay de leon Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Stick materials: Guava wood question To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I have handled many guava sticks as a kid, but I have never banged (used) them in arnis. I would say Mr. Arola's description is pretty accurate. I think I have mentioned this is a previous post, that our (homemade) slingshots were made (whittled) from guava tree branches. Guava trees were abundant, and many of its branches had the perfect "Y" for a slingshot. Jay de Leon Daniel Arola wrote: I remember a guava tree that grew in the yard where I lived with my Grandparents in La Union province in the P.I. The wood is very flexible and strong and is very hard and thick yet light enough for speed. Guava wood was my personal preference for a fighting stick. They're hard to break. And they hurt! Daniel Arola Marc Denny wrote: Woof All: Could someone please tell me the characteristics of guava wood? TIA, Crafty Dog _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 12:21:27 -0700 (PDT) From: jay de leon Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Silat and Steve and Me To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I am not a lawyer. This question comes up all the time during knife defenses. On one hand, I agree with the distinction you make. On the other hand, there is probably no difference from a law enforcement point of view, if the other guy ends up with a knife sticking out of his gut. Your attorney will probably have to explain the distinction to a jury. P.S. This is where you hear that argument about your fingerprints not being on the knife, right? Jay de Leon Mike Casto wrote: I don't feel that the legality of "return to sender" is questionable at all. If someone is attacking me with a knife and the knife is still in their hand when I "return" it then it's still very much self-defense. If, on the other hand, I disarm it and then cut/stab him with it then I've crossed the line to become the attacker. Mike http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 11 From: Ray Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: stick materials To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 12:38:34 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > students used to defending against a heavy weapon. Bahi sticks aren't easy to > break, but, we've found that Bahi does chip, and caution must be used as with > any hardwood to insure the students' safety. Hi Kim, Does your bahi look like rattan, when you view the end of the stick? I thought that Bahi is like rattan in that it is more of a vine than a wood. Thus it -should- fray instead of chip. ??? 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