Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 03:00:37 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 12 #346 - 6 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2200 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. RE: Silat and Steve and Me (Mike Casto) 2. RE: Stick Materials (Alex Ercia) 3. (no subject) (Alex Ercia) 4. Re: Guava wood (Kel620@aol.com) 5. guava wood question (Perry Gil Mallari) 6. Guava (POWERFACTOR71839@aol.com) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Mike Casto" To: Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Silat and Steve and Me Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 15:48:47 -0400 Organization: I.M.P.A.C.T. Academy of Martial Arts Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net << P.S. This is where you hear that argument about your fingerprints not being on the knife, right? >> Yup. And if there are any witnesses, it should be plain to them that the guy was still holding the knife. I'm not a lawyer either. But from my layman's perspective on the law it should still be considered self defense. However, as is always the case if it goes to court, what will matter most is what the witnesses report, how the police report reads, how good the attorneys involved are, the judge and, if it gets this far, the jury. Even a clean cut case of self defense can get fouled up along the way through the legal system. As unfortunate as that is, it's a reality. Of course, I'd still rather face trial and punishment here in the US than in many other parts of the world. Mike -----Original Message----- From: jay de leon [mailto:jakkdawg@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 3:21 PM To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Silat and Steve and Me I am not a lawyer. This question comes up all the time during knife defenses. On one hand, I agree with the distinction you make. On the other hand, there is probably no difference from a law enforcement point of view, if the other guy ends up with a knife sticking out of his gut. Your attorney will probably have to explain the distinction to a jury. P.S. This is where you hear that argument about your fingerprints not being on the knife, right? Jay de Leon Mike Casto wrote: I don't feel that the legality of "return to sender" is questionable at all. If someone is attacking me with a knife and the knife is still in their hand when I "return" it then it's still very much self-defense. If, on the other hand, I disarm it and then cut/stab him with it then I've crossed the line to become the attacker. Mike http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Alex Ercia" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 16:26:24 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] RE: Stick Materials Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net If you are interested in different sticks and wood carved swords or garotes check www.pmasupplies.com. They are real good quality at a reasonable price. Alex-ARMAS-inc. --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Alex Ercia" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 16:31:29 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] (no subject) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Marc The Guava wood is whitish in color, thin but sturdy and very flexible. I remember back then that when our Grandpa got mad he would come out with his pamalo(guava stick used to spank us) and run after us. Being kids in the Philippines this was common in Calamba Laguna. We would all scramble. Because we knew it hurt. hehehe. I bet a couple of guys in the digest knows a couple of stories like mine. Alex -ARMAS-inc --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Kel620@aol.com Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 20:24:59 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Guava wood Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Guava wood used to be(maybe still is..) used in the West Indies(Barbados, Trinidad) for stick fighting. K. Williams --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 18:06:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Perry Gil Mallari To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] guava wood question Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Very dense and durable wood but definitely lighter than kamagong. I guess it can take a hack or two of a fairly sharp bolo. The only problem is you will rarely found a guava branch long and straight enough to be used as an escrima stick. In the Philippines this is a favorite material for tirador (slingshot) mango (handle). Perry Gil Mallari --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. --__--__-- Message: 6 From: POWERFACTOR71839@aol.com Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 21:07:47 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Guava Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > I have handled many guava sticks as a kid, but I have never banged (used) > them in arnis.  I would say Mr. Arola's description is pretty accurate.  I > think I have mentioned this is a previous post, that our (homemade) slingshots > were made (whittled) from guava tree branches.  Guava trees were abundant, and > many of its branches had the perfect "Y" for a slingshot. > Jay de Leon > > My training partner, Mario Guevara used Guava for slingshots in Cuba as well. They looked for Tequila bottles since there was a marble like piece of glass at the bottom. It made for great ammo. In Venezuela, My Garrote Larense instructor, Bruno Cruicchi, uses traditional lemon wood for fighting sticks. It is slender and dense. The stick is about 34" long. Wielded by an accomplished Garroteer, it is quite intimidating. They laugh at protective gear. Liability is different there apparently. --Tom Furman --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest