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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2200 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. silat (John Bonifazio) 2. Re: Secret techniques (Beungood8@aol.com) 3. Re: Bahi sticks (Kes41355@aol.com) 4. Re: Filipino weapons (Kes41355@aol.com) 5. RE: Re: Secret techniques (Ken Borowiec) 6. RE: Re: Secret techniques (Steve Kohn) 7. Filipino Music (khalkee@netscape.net) 8. Re: silat (Steve Kohn) 9. Re: Filipino Music (Steve Kohn) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 07:58:59 -0700 (PDT) From: John Bonifazio To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] silat Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello Steve, I don't know where I'm going with this either, but what the hey. Please don't misunderstand it's not secret at all, but one must train to earn it. It's just that a solid foundation must be built prior to learning knife, if you want to be good. Skill in proper distance and timing have to be ingrained or you will get gutted when in a confrontaion. My teacher has a really high quality control level. So knife is more like one of the later things you learn, not the first. The other thing is it's deadly. So why if you have this art that's potentially dangerous would you give it out to evey Tom, Dick, and Harry. Unless money and ego where the driving force. If you don't believe me come to Longview WA, and check out our class, Guru has been taking new students recently. Thanks for the conversation, back to lurking. John __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Beungood8@aol.com Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 11:54:59 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Secret techniques Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net "but you need to understand that as long as certain areas of your art remain shrouded in secrecy, your frustration will only get worse as people continue to rely on speculation when trying to understand your art. Showing more knife techniques would clarify what your art is really about. It will help people see what your art has to offer. Take that as food for thought." I think there is a reason these techniques are hidden in the first place. It's what makes their art effective(Along with the many thousands of hours of practice) and also a responsibility to keep the real stuff ,the things that others could use to hurt people under wraps. I think also they are hidden so that it takes hard work and hours of practice to understand it and dissolve it before you go on to learn more giving the Guro time to learn who you are before giving you effective techniques whitch could be mis-used. Also a responsibiulity not to show to much to aid some knifer group to try to emulate the techniques an open a mcknifedojo. Or those that hop around looking for the effective part of a discipline and not learn the whole art. My .02 cents FWIW Jack Mongrel Combatives.New England Pekiti -Tirsia Pitbullls --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Kes41355@aol.com Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 12:50:29 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Bahi sticks Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Ray, Yep, viewed from the end, bahi bears a striking resemblance to rattan. Rob and I have used them (bahi sticks) in practice, and although they are hard and tough, they will chip. We soak most of our sticks in boiled linseed oil, both rattan and hardwood (rattan, to add heft, and hardwood, to protect against moisture), and even with this added measure, the bahi still chipped. I sanded down the spot that chipped, and have continued using the stick (which I believe Rob bought from Cecil Quirino at Kris Cutlery. Rob, correct me if I'm wrong here), and I still use it in practice, but am cognizant that it could break. I absolutely love the bahi for Karensa, due to its extra weight, but am kinda wary of any hard banging with a student. I have a beautiful hand carved kamagong stick that Rob also gave me before he moved away, but I do not use it with students, due to it's "breakability," and also because it is a memento of my teacher, and I want to hang on to it. Kim --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Kes41355@aol.com Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 12:59:23 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Filipino weapons Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi all, I got a lot of requests for the Filipino weapons my on-line buddy has procured from his many travels in the Philippines, enough requests that I'll post the address here rather than try to get back to everyone individually. My friend's name is Ron Kosakowski, is a really cool guy, and has a wealth of experience in the MA's. I've been corresponding with him for some time, and the thing about Ron that impresses me the most is his genuine humility despite his extensive background. Here's the link... _www.psdtc.com/Filipino.bladed.weapons.htm_ (http://www.psdtc.com/Filipino.bladed.weapons.htm) If anyone has any problems contacting Ron, please let me know and I'll do what I can to put you in touch with him. Also check out Ron's curriculum, he offers quite an array of disciplines. Later, Kim Satterfield Midwest School of Eskrima --__--__-- Message: 5 Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Re: Secret techniques Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 14:24:14 -0400 From: "Ken Borowiec" To: Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I have been reading all the e-mails about teaching knife. My instructor only teaches this to senior students who he believes has studied enough and is ready to learn offensive knife. He has done this at least as long as I have attended. He will not teach anyone who he feels is of questionable nature. He will teach knife defense for self-defense situations. To me this is a smart point of view given the events of knife fighting situations in the last few years. Multiple stories involving box cutters. The PMA student who killed a bouncer in NYC by slashing his femoral artery. He then tried to kill himself in the prison. That leaves me to question whether he realized what he was doing when he stuck out at his victim. Then there is an instructor in Florida who had a student for close to a year (I may be mistaken on amount of time). He taught him knife and then that student was one of the hijackers who helped kill thousands on 9-11. One who knows knife should be responsible and aware of the damage he can inflict on his opponent. Ken --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 13:38:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Kohn Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Re: Secret techniques To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Ken, I understand where your teacher is coming from, but consider a few things. 1) At least in the system I've studied, there is no such thing as a senior FMA student who doesn't know the knife as we were taught that what we do has its foundation in the blade. 2) You cant teach proper knife self defense without first having an understanding of knife offense. 3) If the FMA can move from weapon to weapon with only subtle variations in technique (as it purports to do), then knife offense is essentially being taught while practicing with a stick from the very beginning. 4) The knife is essential in most FMAs as it brings out a certain fluidity of movement. 5) I wouldn't teach anything to a person of questionable character. Regards, Steve Ken Borowiec wrote: I have been reading all the e-mails about teaching knife. My instructor only teaches this to senior students who he believes has studied enough and is ready to learn offensive knife. He has done this at least as long as I have attended. He will not teach anyone who he feels is of questionable nature. He will teach knife defense for self-defense situations. To me this is a smart point of view given the events of knife fighting situations in the last few years. Multiple stories involving box cutters. The PMA student who killed a bouncer in NYC by slashing his femoral artery. He then tried to kill himself in the prison. That leaves me to question whether he realized what he was doing when he stuck out at his victim. Then there is an instructor in Florida who had a student for close to a year (I may be mistaken on amount of time). He taught him knife and then that student was one of the hijackers who helped kill thousands on 9-11. One who knows knife should be responsible and aware of the damage he can inflict on his opponent. Ken _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 17:07:06 -0400 From: khalkee@netscape.net To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Filipino Music Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net You'll have better luck searching for Kulintang music. Filipino music and Indonesian music have a lot in common, e.g., the Gamelan of Indonesia. I don't think that the conga is part of indigenous Filipino music. Search Kulintang and you'll probably be overwhelmed with hits to choose from. __________________________________________________________________ Look What The New Netscape.com Can Do! Now you can preview dozens of stories and have the ones you select delivered to you without ever leaving the Top Home Page. And the new Tool Box gives you one click access to local Movie times, Maps, White Pages and more. See for yourself at http://netcenter.netscape.com/netcenter/ --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 16:59:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Kohn Subject: Re: [Eskrima] silat To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Cool. Thank you as well. -Steve John Bonifazio wrote: Hello Steve, I don't know where I'm going with this either, but what the hey. Please don't misunderstand it's not secret at all, but one must train to earn it. It's just that a solid foundation must be built prior to learning knife, if you want to be good. Skill in proper distance and timing have to be ingrained or you will get gutted when in a confrontaion. My teacher has a really high quality control level. So knife is more like one of the later things you learn, not the first. The other thing is it's deadly. So why if you have this art that's potentially dangerous would you give it out to evey Tom, Dick, and Harry. Unless money and ego where the driving force. If you don't believe me come to Longview WA, and check out our class, Guru has been taking new students recently. Thanks for the conversation, back to lurking. John __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 21:01:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Kohn Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Filipino Music To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Indian tabla music is actually very nice too. It's worth checking out for its hypnotic vibe. -Steve Kohn khalkee@netscape.net wrote: You'll have better luck searching for Kulintang music. Filipino music and Indonesian music have a lot in common, e.g., the Gamelan of Indonesia. I don't think that the conga is part of indigenous Filipino music. Search Kulintang and you'll probably be overwhelmed with hits to choose from. __________________________________________________________________ Look What The New Netscape.com Can Do! Now you can preview dozens of stories and have the ones you select delivered to you without ever leaving the Top Home Page. 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