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Re: Secret techniques (Steve Kohn) 8. from Mike Macro eclectic defense group (Michael Macro) 9. the 'kumintang' (Leo Salinel) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Black Power Ranger" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Re: ED 352 - filipino music - kuomintang Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 06:09:46 +0000 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello all, Bart is right. Although not commonly known, there are a filipino folk dances that depict fighting and some even involve weapons (stick, daggar, sword. etc.). Just in case you were wondering: Langka Silat: A dance simulation of a fight in graceful and flowing arm movements. It involves the waving of fans and daggars. Maglalatik: a war dance depicting a fight between the Moros and the Christians over the latik (residue left after the coconut milk has been boiled). Burong Talo: The Burong Talo dance of the Tausog people is a form of martial arts interpreted in dance form. Mimicking a fight between a hawk and a cat, this acrobatic dance is accompanied by drum and gong Binanog: In this dance a warrior mimics a combat movement trying to fight the Banog (big eagle) in defense of a troubled hen and her chicks ending a heroic display of killing the Banog. Sakuting: A dance of the Ilokano Christians and non-Christians from the province of Abra, Sakuting was originally performed by boys only. It portrays a mock fight using sticks to train for combat. The stacatto-inflected music suggests a strong Chinese influence. These are just a few of many martial dances that exist in the Philippines. Just my two cents Regards, Norman Malonzo >From: Bart Hubbard >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Subject: [Eskrima] Re: ED 352 - filipino music - kuomintang >Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 11:11:35 -0700 (PDT) > >Hey There, > >As far as I know, there's no filipino music called >kuomintang and aside from the comedia and moro moro, >most filipino folk dance does not involve weaponry. In >general the dances may involve wooing a girl, but >fighting over one is not commonly depicted in >traditional folk dance. That's not to say that one >doesn't exist, but it's definitely not commonly known. >Kulintang is definitely what you are talking about. >There are a lot of resources for that online. Try >abs-cbn.com. > >Kuomintang is the Republican government of China that >was driven out by the People's Republic to Taiwan. It >has no relationship to the Philippines. > >Myself, I like flamenco and traditional arabic >drumming for my class, even Banghra. Kulintang is nice >too, but I like a faster rythm. > >Bart Hubbard >Capital Doce Pares >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Arndt Mallepree" To: Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Secret techniques Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 09:27:13 +0200 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Great point, that is exactly what I meant! I think that is more the point where this discussion should go to! This does of course not mean that we should train everyone. In Germany we have a big discussion at the moment about skinheads and hooligans who participate in freefight events, in order to get better known in their scene! This maybe is the same discussion! Keep Training malle ----- Original Message ----- From: "iPat" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 3:30 PM Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Secret techniques > On the flip side i know that more of my students have done more 'good' > (subjective i know) than 'bad'. > am i responsible as an instructor anymore than the driving instructor who > teaches someone to drive? What happens when that driver u turns in front > of > motorcyclist or kills a pedestrian while under the influence? > I guess these are questions you have to ask yourself. While i care and > wish > to behave in a manner that i would like myself to be treated, i cannot be > everyones keeper. They have their responsibility and at some point there > needs to be a cut off point > > On 10/19/05, Ken Borowiec wrote: >> >> ..... And that to me proves there really is no way to know. And that >> enforces to me the need to CYA one's teaching curriculum. >> >> No one has any way of knowing completely how someone will act or react to >> a situation. Or if they have covert plans such as the hijackers. >> Imagine how the flying instructors that taught them to fly must feel. >> >> -- >> iPat >> "Intellect and intelligence do not go together. Intelligence is obtained >> only when the heart and mind reach an agreement." Krishnamurti > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 15:19:41 -0400 From: khalkee@netscape.net To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Kou/Kuo Min Tang Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Yah, KUOmintang = KOUmintang :-) Used interchangeably to refer to the Chinese political party. No relationship to Kulintang. Want to go ethnic, try Gamelan ... hard to find good stuff. Monkey Chant is also good if you can find it. All vocal. Might need an exorcist too ;-) Just kidding. For 20+ minutes of straight drumming try Drummers of Burundi. __________________________________________________________________ Look What The New Netscape.com Can Do! Now you can preview dozens of stories and have the ones you select delivered to you without ever leaving the Top Home Page. And the new Tool Box gives you one click access to local Movie times, Maps, White Pages and more. See for yourself at http://netcenter.netscape.com/netcenter/ --__--__-- Message: 4 From: RavenSire@aol.com Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 15:32:14 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: koumintang? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net hi all, yes, i know of the political party founded by chiang kai chek. that is kuomintang (kmt), the nationalist party of china. not koumintang. my girlfriend is in the philippines right now and here is part of an email she sent me..... "When i was in college, i was active in YWCA in manila. The group attended cultural events and i was very active. WE used to watch dances... and i remember kumintang.. it was written in the program booklet of shows in CULTURAL CENTER OF THE PHILIPPINES. I wonder if i can find it in the website. I watched it and yes, they danced with weapons and there is always a story behind it. Singkil is also a dance of a muslim princess and i love to watch it. But i remember it with a letter "M" not "L" maybe its kumintang not kuomintang... maybe i got it wrong, but we always talk about it before as kumintang. All of the people in YWCA talked about it as kumintang. My superiors told stories about our culture of the arts.... maybe they were mistaken. Well, i dont know. But i saw the show, its very nice. If i am wrong, i admit my mistake. it was an innocent mistake. I'm sorry about that." ok, i hope this clears any misunderstandings about what i mentioned. the dance does exist and the story line is that of warriors apparently fighting for a maiden. i'll do more research and get to everyone on it! while i'm doing this, try taiko (japanaese) drums! peace, ra! --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 12:40:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Kohn Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Secret techniques To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Soccer (Football) Hooligans might just be the stupidest people on the planet, followed of course by the skinheads. -Steve Kohn Arndt Mallepree wrote: Great point, that is exactly what I meant! I think that is more the point where this discussion should go to! This does of course not mean that we should train everyone. In Germany we have a big discussion at the moment about skinheads and hooligans who participate in freefight events, in order to get better known in their scene! This maybe is the same discussion! Keep Training malle ----- Original Message ----- From: "iPat" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 3:30 PM Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Secret techniques > On the flip side i know that more of my students have done more 'good' > (subjective i know) than 'bad'. > am i responsible as an instructor anymore than the driving instructor who > teaches someone to drive? What happens when that driver u turns in front > of > motorcyclist or kills a pedestrian while under the influence? > I guess these are questions you have to ask yourself. While i care and > wish > to behave in a manner that i would like myself to be treated, i cannot be > everyones keeper. They have their responsibility and at some point there > needs to be a cut off point > > On 10/19/05, Ken Borowiec wrote: >> >> ..... And that to me proves there really is no way to know. And that >> enforces to me the need to CYA one's teaching curriculum. >> >> No one has any way of knowing completely how someone will act or react to >> a situation. Or if they have covert plans such as the hijackers. >> Imagine how the flying instructors that taught them to fly must feel. >> >> -- >> iPat >> "Intellect and intelligence do not go together. Intelligence is obtained >> only when the heart and mind reach an agreement." Krishnamurti > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Michael Koblic" To: "Eskrima digest" Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 15:24:54 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Secret techniques Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net "Guys that shank people in prison don't generally have any FMA training and they seem to carry out their "jobs" with no problem at all. I'm guessing that if you took one of these natural killers and tried to teach them tactical blade, it would probably hinder them until they got it down. I've seen plenty of streetfighters that can kick the average "high level" guys butt. Some people just know what to do instinctively." Is this where the distinction between techniques and tactics come into it? These guys are just superior tacticians learned through experience? Is their pre-fight (or shall we say pre-ambush) routine and set up something that gives a fair technique a superior chance? Is it because they tend to initiate rather than defend? Michael Koblic, Campbell River, B. C. --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 17:47:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Kohn Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Secret techniques To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Judging by the way you're asking these questions, I'd say you have the answers ready to go. Bring it. -Steve Michael Koblic wrote: "Guys that shank people in prison don't generally have any FMA training and they seem to carry out their "jobs" with no problem at all. I'm guessing that if you took one of these natural killers and tried to teach them tactical blade, it would probably hinder them until they got it down. I've seen plenty of streetfighters that can kick the average "high level" guys butt. Some people just know what to do instinctively." Is this where the distinction between techniques and tactics come into it? These guys are just superior tacticians learned through experience? Is their pre-fight (or shall we say pre-ambush) routine and set up something that gives a fair technique a superior chance? Is it because they tend to initiate rather than defend? Michael Koblic, Campbell River, B. C. _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Michael Macro" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 19:15:13 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] from Mike Macro eclectic defense group Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi folks, Just reading the conversation about music, it’s all down to personal preference what ever you need to get you in the right frame of mind. For me it’s the rhythm and the beat per min that I like. I find that techno/trance music works for me. Especially that music from the “matrix 3”, the cave rave scene. Some of that industrial gear is ok to such as the “Prodigy”. Just some ideas for yah! Regards, Mike _________________________________________________________________ Take charge with a pop-up guard built on patented Microsoft® SmartScreen Technology. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 20:56:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Leo Salinel To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] the 'kumintang' Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Here in the Philippines, we do have a musical form called the KUMINTANG (not Kuo Min Tang, as in Generalissimo Chiang Kai Shek's Nationalist Party). If I recall my Wikang Pilipino and history lessons from high school, the kumintang is a Tagalog musical form or song that was actually a sort of war song. Strangely, it evolved into what is now the Tagalog love song or ballad called 'kundiman'. 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