Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 18:42:14 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 12 #360 - 10 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2200 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: 40 hrs in Manila (Felipe Jocano) 2. Re: Kalasag & taming (Felipe Jocano) 3. Re: 40 hrs in Manila (jay de leon) 4. Re: Kalasag & taming (jay de leon) 5. Re: Animal the Author (Marc MacYoung) 6. Shocknife (Kevin Davis) 7. Re: Shocknife (Joaquin Torres) 8. Re: Shocknife (Steve Ames) 9. Re: Shocknife (Joaquin Torres) 10. Re: Profiling Trouble (bgdebuque) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 01:14:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Felipe Jocano Subject: Re: [Eskrima] 40 hrs in Manila To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Ray, Unfortunately, I have to point out that since the feature was written, jeepney fares have gone up to P7.50 from P4.00, the LRT ranges from P12.00 to 15.00 dpending on how far you're going, and the MRT fare ranges from P10.00 to P15.00....*sigh* the time when jeepney fare was a mere P4.00 now seems so far away. Inflation.... Bot --- Ray wrote: > Travel mags idea of what to do if you only have 48 > hrs in Manila... > > http://travel.independent.co.uk/southeastasia/article320931.ece > > > Ray Terry > rterry@idiom.com > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 01:27:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Felipe Jocano Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Kalasag & taming To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi, The shield is kalasag in Tagalog and taming in Bisaya. Taming is pronounced with a short a, as in ta-ming, not tay-ming. As for differences, the kalasag is often depicted as being a long shield, while the taming is circular. If you can get hold of a copy of William Henry Scott's Barangay, there are some descriptions of kalasag and taming in there. Bot BTW, the kalasag is often what is depicted in all those drawings about the ancient Filipino warriors. It appears on the emblems of the Philippin National Police, of the Armed Forces, etc. > > In the meantime, in recent notes i quickly wrote > that the term for what i > know as the 'shield' is known as Kalasang or Kalasak > or Tamming. Can anyone > advise me on the correct spelling or origin. thanks. > __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 09:11:13 -0700 (PDT) From: jay de leon Subject: Re: [Eskrima] 40 hrs in Manila To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Bot : Long time no email exchange. This will give away my age, but when I was a kid in RP, the lowest possible jeepney fare was P0.10 or 10 centavos or in Tagalog, "diyes centimos" or "diyes." At the current exchange rate, that is about $0.002 or less than a cent. When you ride a jeepney, they have small signs inside the jeep, usually some witticism or bon mot the Filipinos are known for. One of these was "upong diyes po lamang." Literally, it meant "please sit in the space allotted you by your 10 centavos" meaning, please do not hog the seat so we can pack as many people as possible inside the jeepney. Jay de Leon. Felipe Jocano wrote: Hi Ray, Unfortunately, I have to point out that since the feature was written, jeepney fares have gone up to P7.50 from P4.00, the LRT ranges from P12.00 to 15.00 dpending on how far you're going, and the MRT fare ranges from P10.00 to P15.00....*sigh* the time when jeepney fare was a mere P4.00 now seems so far away. Inflation.... Bot --- Ray wrote: > Travel mags idea of what to do if you only have 48 > hrs in Manila... > > http://travel.independent.co.uk/southeastasia/article320931.ece > > > Ray Terry > rterry@idiom.com > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 09:19:57 -0700 (PDT) From: jay de leon Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Kalasag & taming To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Bot: Question for you. May you use the word "panangga" as the generic word for shield, when you are not referring to a kalasag or taming in particular, or say, an improvised weapon? Or is there another word? Thanks, Jay de Leon Felipe Jocano wrote: Hi, The shield is kalasag in Tagalog and taming in Bisaya. Taming is pronounced with a short a, as in ta-ming, not tay-ming. As for differences, the kalasag is often depicted as being a long shield, while the taming is circular. If you can get hold of a copy of William Henry Scott's Barangay, there are some descriptions of kalasag and taming in there. Bot BTW, the kalasag is often what is depicted in all those drawings about the ancient Filipino warriors. It appears on the emblems of the Philippin National Police, of the Armed Forces, etc. > > In the meantime, in recent notes i quickly wrote > that the term for what i > know as the 'shield' is known as Kalasang or Kalasak > or Tamming. Can anyone > advise me on the correct spelling or origin. thanks. > __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Marc MacYoung" To: Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 09:59:28 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Animal the Author Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Tom Furman wrote > Marc Mac Young has two new books out. I am reading the Effective Offense > one > now and enjoying every page. It goes well with the dvd's by Guru Plinck > or > Cliff Stewart's Principles of WAR. This is FOOD for thought,or rather > Smorgasbord for thought. I remember years ago on the Animal list > discussing these > very topics. Congrats Animal,...you made the big time! Yep, I'm finally in Barnes and Noble...Yeeeha! The two books are "Secrets" of Effective Offense: Survival strategies for self-defense, martial arts and law enforcement and Becoming a Complete Martial Artist: Error Detection in Self-defense and the Martial Arts. (With Tristan Sutrisno and Dianna Gordon) For a number of years -- and a variety of reasons -- I have been trying to move away from being called a martial artist and call myself a martial analyst. My major emphasis in teaching for years now has been explaining what has to be present for something to work. It's not about style, it's not about who you study under, it's not about how well marketed and macho something is. Over the years a lot of styles have lost their "engines and transmissions" Which is to say the car's body is still there, but the things that powers it are missing. Every few years some "New" ultimate fighting system comes along that becomes the new fad to those seeking the Holy Grail of Combat. But these new fad systems don't teach you how to fix what you already know. To me it doesn't matter what style you know, my only concern is "Does it work as advertised?" If critical components are misunderstood, underemphasized or just flat out missing, you got a problem. It won't work, no matter how much the true believers screech and preach that it will. Then, my next question was "What makes it work?" Over the years I've come to notice that it doesn't matter what style you practice as long as those elements are present. What these book do is to give you the diagnostic tools to analyze and assess what has been lost from your art (or your teaching) and put it back in. It isn't about a particular style being better or worse...it's about does it have what it takes to be effective? And if not, what concepts need to be put back in? M --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Kevin Davis" To: Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 15:12:16 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] Shocknife Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I just did a review for Tactical Response magazine on a new training blade, the Shocknife. The knife does as advertised and would be a worthwhile investment for any serious blade player. Full manufacture should take place within four weeks. Single trainers will run around $400 with a knife fighter package (two Shocknives in a hard case) and academy packages (ten knives/hard case) available. Check out www.shocknife.com for more info Mabuhay ang Inayan Eskrima! KD --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 16:43:19 -0400 From: Joaquin Torres To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Shocknife Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Um...no. Kevin Davis wrote: >I just did a review for Tactical Response magazine on a new training blade, >the Shocknife. The knife does as advertised and would be a worthwhile >investment for any serious blade player. Full manufacture should take place >within four weeks. > >Single trainers will run around $400 with a knife fighter package (two >Shocknives in a hard case) and academy packages (ten knives/hard case) >available. > >Check out www.shocknife.com for more info --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 15:54:45 -0500 From: Steve Ames To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Shocknife Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net On Sun, Oct 23, 2005 at 04:43:19PM -0400, Joaquin Torres wrote: > Um...no. ? I'm curious what 'Um..no.' adds to the conversation? Why not? To my tastes it seems pretty pricey for a training tool but you do get immediate tactile feedback right? -steve > > > Kevin Davis wrote: > > >I just did a review for Tactical Response magazine on a new training blade, > >the Shocknife. The knife does as advertised and would be a worthwhile > >investment for any serious blade player. Full manufacture should take > >place > >within four weeks. > > > >Single trainers will run around $400 with a knife fighter package (two > >Shocknives in a hard case) and academy packages (ten knives/hard case) > >available. > > > >Check out www.shocknife.com for more info > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 17:39:06 -0400 From: Joaquin Torres To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Shocknife Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Fine... Um...no. You get 'immediate tactile feedback' with any training blade. If you're honest with your training and understand what would happen if live blades had been in blade, then a ridiculously expensive tool like this is completely unnecessary. If you want more intense 'immediate tactile feedback', then just whack the hell out of each other with relatively inexpensive aluminum trainers. If you want some visual feedback, get a No-Lie blade or just take some chalk to the edge of your aluminum trainers. Steve Ames wrote: >tastes it seems pretty pricey for a training tool but you do get immediate >tactile feedback right? > >-steve > > > > ? I'm curious what 'Um..no.' adds to the conversation? Why not? To my > >>Kevin Davis wrote: >> >> >> >>>I just did a review for Tactical Response magazine on a new training blade, >>>the Shocknife. The knife does as advertised and would be a worthwhile >>>investment for any serious blade player. Full manufacture should take >>>place >>>within four weeks. >>> >>>Single trainers will run around $400 with a knife fighter package (two >>>Shocknives in a hard case) and academy packages (ten knives/hard case) >>>available. >>> >>>Check out www.shocknife.com for more info >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members >>Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >>Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >>Standard disclaimers apply >>http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima >> >> >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 21:44:58 -0400 From: bgdebuque To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Profiling Trouble Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I have personally been to some of the worst neighborhoods in the Philippines. Based on my experience the key to avoiding street confrontations is to project a certain level of intimidation at the the right time, at the right place, and at the right person. For legal and ethical reasons, such intimidation is rarely verbal nature. Instead, it takes the form of some kind of "body language" which streetsmart thugs readily understand. The ability to profile effectively is the key to projecting the right level of intimidation from the "right person" perspective. Basically, you want to assess the intimidation treshold of a potential street threat and then project the right level of "body language threat" accordingly. Few street thugs would dare cross their profiled "intimidation treshold". Bill Message: 1 From: "Lance Cross" To: Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 01:01:26 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Profiling Trouble Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net All, Profiling may be effective for your personal security. It has been my personal observation that looking at the details around you, one can avoid trouble. I used to deliver papers at 2am till 6am in the morning for extra money and trouble would always find me. Reaons for this is a) Predictable Route b) Gassed up Delivery Van c) driver who jumps in and out d) no one around commercial and transportation areas where papers are dropped off. e) economically depressed area. The time spent on the route boosted my B.S. detector, my sense of awareness (if its not a car jacker, its a skunk or ferrel dog) and things like my night vision increased dramatically. Awareness really kept me safe. Martial Arts Practice kept me confident and calm (er) and able to act in the face of potential danger. My demeaner (spelling?) kept me less of a target on most occasions. After running into a few problems and talking with others in my position and becoming "realized" with those patterns of problems, I developed a sense of "profiling" trouble situations and avoided them. I think with the term profiling one thinks of a computer making checks on a comparison list, get enough check marks, you get profiled (possibly unjustly) however profiling someone by their actions, intent, cover story, when and where you find them etc.. has really saved my butt a few times. Even though this has nothing to do with national security or police tactics, for any martial artist out there, some essential skills can be developed to keep ones personal safety and the personal safety of the ones around them at a higher level. Martial Arts is about development of people in many ways. Certainly personal safety should be one of them. (I worked with a guy who was a good fighter, but his personal safety level was low, trouble followed him and found him quickly, not a bad guy, just not a safe guy) -Lance Cross --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest