Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 18:55:09 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 12 #361 - 3 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Shocknife (barry meadows) 2. Article: how does BJJ handle multiple attackers? (Jye nigma) 3. Article: when the wolfpack attacks (Jye nigma) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "barry meadows" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Shocknife Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 02:18:17 +0000 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net If I had lots of money Id buy one right away.Unfortunatly this aint the case. Looks like a great addition to training tools for those who can afford it though. Good luck >From: Steve Ames >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Shocknife >Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 15:54:45 -0500 > >On Sun, Oct 23, 2005 at 04:43:19PM -0400, Joaquin Torres wrote: > > Um...no. > >? I'm curious what 'Um..no.' adds to the conversation? Why not? To my >tastes it seems pretty pricey for a training tool but you do get immediate >tactile feedback right? > >-steve > > > > > > > Kevin Davis wrote: > > > > >I just did a review for Tactical Response magazine on a new training >blade, > > >the Shocknife. The knife does as advertised and would be a worthwhile > > >investment for any serious blade player. Full manufacture should take > > >place > > >within four weeks. > > > > > >Single trainers will run around $400 with a knife fighter package (two > > >Shocknives in a hard case) and academy packages (ten knives/hard case) > > >available. > > > > > >Check out www.shocknife.com for more info > > _______________________________________________ > > Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members > > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > > Standard disclaimers apply > > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 18:13:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma To: jyesluv@hotmail.com Subject: [Eskrima] Article: how does BJJ handle multiple attackers? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net How does Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu work against multiple attackers? Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu is not suited for fighting multiple opponents. On the ground, you cannot engage more than one opponent at a time. Jiu-Jitsu is ideally suited for one-on-one combat. Multiple attackers will come at you from all directions; you are sure to be hit or tackled from behind. When you are committed on the ground, you dramatically reduce your mobility and peripheral vision. In the case of multiple attackers, your safest option is to remain on your feet and escape when the opportunity presents itself. Any martial artist who claims he can fight off multiple attackers is either deluded or deliberately misleading. The fact is, there is no magic style that can guarantee your chances of victory. Exchanging blows with only one opponent who is bigger, stronger and heavier is very dangerous at best. Exchanging blows with multiple opponents who are bigger, stronger, and heavier is pure suicide. Even if your opponents are not bigger than you, they can easily overwhelm you with their sheer numbers. Unless your attackers are Hollywood stuntmen, they will not conveniently attack you, one at a time or stand in a single file line. In the real world, you will either be surrounded and assaulted all at once, or tackled and brought to the ground, where your assailants will continue to punch and kick you while you lay trapped. If you cannot prevent just one attacker from taking you to the ground, you will not be able to prevent a takedown against two or more attackers. Your best and safest option when confronted with multiple attackers is to get out of the situation—fast. If you cannot run, you must stay on your feet and engage your opponents, one at a time, with accurate strikes to vital areas of the body (groin, eyes, throat), or utilize grappling techniques that allow you to control your attacker on your feet. You must always keep an opponent between yourself and the rest of your attackers. Never let yourself become surrounded. Your goal should be to look for the first possible opening to escape as soon as possible. All it takes is just one punch from behind and you could be knocked out. What happens afterwards is entirely up to your attackers. If you are knocked out on the street, you are as good as dead. The martial arts world is constantly filled with exaggerations and wild claims of superhuman feats. Perhaps the most common is that one unarmed man can defeat an aggressive mob by himself. Don't be fooled by these so-called masters claiming to be able to defeat multiple attackers. It looks great on the movie screen, but it doesn't happen that way in real life. It's one thing to fight off a bunch of 10-year old kids. It's another thing altogether to be surrounded by an angry group, determined to hurt you. There is NO martial art style that can realistically prepare you to defeat multiple opponents or overwhelm mass attacks. There are only certain strategies and tactics you can employ to increase your chances of survival, but no matter what style you train in, your chances of defeating multiple opponents drop sharply as your opponents increase in number. Practitioners of the striking arts face the same disadvantages that grapplers do when confronted against multiple assailants. When you commit yourself to engaging one opponent, be it striking or grappling, you leave yourself open to attacks from behind. Even if you have eyes in the back of your head, you still only have two fists and two feet. Ironically, many of the martial artists who have made such outlandish claims have proven incapable of defending against even one single attacker in no-holds-barred competition. If you want to train yourself to fight multiple attackers, find some training partners, put on some pads, and let your partners come at you full force. You will get a very "real" and different perspective. Stay safe by avoiding multiple opponents altogether. If you must defend yourself, look for the first possible opening to escape. There is the misconception that Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu stylists mindlessly advocate taking the fight to the ground. This is totally untrue. There are times when taking the fight to the ground is clearly dangerous and undesirable. Most grappling styles train throws and takedowns in one form or another. As a result, grapplers become very skilled at countering takedown attempts and this makes them better qualified than strikers should they choose to remain on their feet. Most striking styles do not train throws or takedowns to the extent that grapplers do. If one does not train throws or takedowns, then one will not understand how to defend against them. Should the grappler decide to remain standing, he can make use of his grappling skills to counter his attacker's attempts and fight from the standing clinch. If he is taken down to the ground, his knowledge of ground fighting will allow him to return to his feet quickly if need be. --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 18:27:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma To: Jyesluv@hotmail.com Subject: [Eskrima] Article: when the wolfpack attacks Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net When the Wolf Pack Attacks by George Demetriou The first attacker lunged and grabbed the officer's upper legs. The second attacker grabbed the officer's left arm and upper body. The officer wrapped his arms around the first attacker and struggled to stay on his feet. The attackers had their way, forcing the 6'5", 275 lb. officer to the ground. At this point a third attacker joined in the assault. The three miscreants pummeled and kicked the fallen officer. Now, the attackers could have left, just run away. Instead, they disarmed the officer, shot him and left him dead on the side of the road. This incident, unfortunately, actually occurred. January 23rd, 1991 on Highway 59 in Garrison, Texas, 57 year old Nacogdoches County Constable, Darrell Lunsford was murdered during a vehicle stop. Lunsford was about to discover the occupants of the vehicle he stopped were transporting Marijuana. Within 3 seconds of the attack, Lunsford was taken to the ground. 11 seconds later he was shot. We have the facts and times because the entire incident was recorded by a dash-mounted camera in Lunsford's cruiser. -------------- A tactical approach to Multiple Assailant Defense in police survival training was introduced officially to the country in 1989. Phil Messina, President of Modern Warrior® Defensive Tactics Institute, taught Multiple Assailant Confrontations at the American Society of Law Enforcement Trainers (ASLET) seminar in Kansas City, MO. It's disturbing that, with the exception of firearm instructors, 5 years later most departments still aren't addressing multiple assailants as a topic in training. The Lunsford murder was televised on the evening news nationwide yet there is no significant indication that departments are making sure this will not reoccur. The FBI reports 40% of assaults against police officers are by more than one attacker. Yet the majority of defensive tactics instructors haven't modified training to reflect this. "As one on one training for cops improves, bad guys will develop "wolf pack" techniques to attack single officers," says Messina. Mind Set We have to start multiple attacker training by changing the way we think. Often in police training, instructors train people not to lose as opposed to training them to win. There are three possible mind sets: 1. I'm going to lose 2. I'll take as many as I can (this is the same as "I'll lose, but "I'll take some of them with me") or 3. I'm going to win Choice #3 is the only acceptable mind set. Time Framing For every segment of time you have, your attackers have an equal segment. Don't just read this, understand it. Make the most of your "pieces of time" while you make your attackers waste theirs. Let's say you're faced with 3 attackers; 1 throws a strike, you take two time frames to block and counterstrike, occupying that 1 attacker's time frames effectively. However, what are the other 2 attackers going to do while you're confronting their partner? Here's a clue: they're not just going to stand there. Now visualize this. You shift away from #1's punch (first time frame) then strike #2 and kick #3 simultaneously (second time frame.) Your time frames are positive while your assailants' are negative. Of course, this was over-simplified to demonstrate a point. In scenario #2 the good guy was productive while he forced the wolf pack's initial time frames to be wasted. The good guy is off to a good start. Physio-kinetics An important component of defending against the wolf pack is understanding physio-kinetics, or what makes the body work in terms of mobility and power. Power is based on the reaction of the hips and shoulders. Mobility is determined by the reaction of the hips and knees. To affect a person's power (striking, grabbing) and mobility (stepping, kicking) you have to control or influence the hips. There's no safe way to grab the hips directly so we control them with the shoulders and knees. Secondarily we use the elbows, wrists, neck and ankles. Understanding physio-kinetics enables you to move off-balance, execute a takedown or break an assailant's hold without having to memorize specific techniques. For multiple assailant confrontations we use the "high end" of physio-kinetics. The formula is vision, wind and limbs. The target areas for kicks and strikes should be vital points of the body that make it difficult or impossible for the assailants to see, breathe or use their arms and legs. When redirecting attacks, moving one attacker in the way of the others or breaking from an attacker's hold we're using the "low-end" of physio-kinetics, when counter striking and kicking our goal is vision, wind and limbs. General Strategy Ideally you want to fight a psychological battle as well as a physical one. If feasible you want to try to identify the leader of the group and take him out of the fight quickly and decisively. Remember your goal is to use the minimum force necessary and with multiple attackers this may mean seriously injuring one attacker so that you won't have to seriously injure (or kill) many attackers. Sometimes an open hand jab to the eyes or the sound of a broken bone will be necessary to accomplish this. If you can't neutralize the leader immediately try to take away his leadership by showing the rest of the group he can't protect them. It's actually better in a multiple attacker situation not to try to knock everyone out. Rather try to make attackers scream and run, or announce their injury, such as "I can't see" or "My leg is broken." This often will cause others to retreat thereby ending the confrontation earlier and with less force than might otherwise be necessary. Remember your immediate goal in a multiple assailant confrontation is not to put the handcuffs on all your attackers. Your immediate goal is to survive. Other Tips: · When in doubt as to who the leader is, neutralize the assailant behind you. · Weak link (hurting an assailant but leaving him standing so you can use him against the others.) · Strike and kick the person you're not looking at. · Use compact (short and choppy) strikes while moving. · Don't hang kicks out. They should go out and come back quickly. Keep them low and execute while moving. · Do more than one thing at a time. For example, kick one attacker as you strike another. Strike two in one time frame. Push one into another as you kick a third. · Move fluidly, but erratically. Don't be predictable. · Keep a low center of gravity. · The strikes and kicks you can't avoid-block. What you can't block-roll off of. What you can't roll off of jam. · Be economical. Eliminate unnecessary movement. · Put your attackers in each other's way. Pre-Attack Indicators Just before an attack there is usually a sign, if not several, that an assault is imminent. Recognizing these indicators will reduce the chances of a "surprise" attack. Raspiness in voiceStress makes the vocal chords tighten, making the voice raspy.Repeated phrasesWhen someone is thinking of how to attack you it's difficult for them to be creativeUnusual sweatingSweating on a cold day. Sweat on nose, sides of mouth or (stress sweat) palms.Tightening of jaw/clenching teethPre-fight facial tensions will cause jaw muscle to bulge.Mouth breathingTaking in air through mouth instead of noseWeight shiftingAttacker will often shift weight in preparation of a "surprise" attack. Usually shift will favor one side.Fist clenching (pumping)When stress causes blood to move away from extremities an assailant will often pump his fists to regain the "normal" feeling in his hands.Shoulders roll forward, chin drops, knees bendOld animal instincts we retained. These 3 things are usually done together for protection purposes when anticipating a fight.Target glancingAn attacker will often look several times at the area he wants to strike.Reaction hand distractionAn assailant may point to something to distract you so he can strike with his other hand. He may ask you the time so he can strike while you look at your watch.Pre-Multiple IndicatorsPositioning relative to each otherWhen one person in the group moves, the others set up accordingly.Suspects glance at each other oftenThey're silently communicating or waiting for the attack signal.Word or word's that don't quite make senseAn attacker may say something that will momentarily confuse you. In that moment of trying to figure out what was said or what was meant the group attacksUnusual body languageAn attacker may engage you in conversation then wipe his hair back, remove his hat or tug on his ear as a signal for his wolf pack to attack.Secondary subject distractionOne member of the pack may get you to look at another member of the group so he can strike you. Multiple Training Multiple training does not mean take your one on one defensive tactics and apply them to a group. To do so could get you seriously injured. Modifications will probably have to be made. Some components of single assailant tactics will be valid, many will not. Consider Firearm Retention. Police officers are generally taught to keep the firearm side (strong side) back when confronted. With 2 or more attackers this will often be impossible. If you use wide baton swings, swinging the baton from your strong side of the body to your weak side, you're putting your arms in a position that's detrimental to Firearm Retention during a multiple confrontation. How about chemical irritants? The more attackers the more spray you're going to put in the air and eventually you'll probably have to move through the mist. From what I've seen chemical sprays work better on cops than bad guys. What if you're temporarily blinded and the wolf pack is hardly affected at all? Consider grappling techniques. Applying an arm lock, leg lock or neck restraint during a multiple may be possible but unless the other assailants run away you'll probably get beaten or disarmed. The worst techniques in a multiple are those that require all four of your limbs to control one person. Besides modifying strategy and techniques there are drills to develop the mind and body to effectively defend yourself when the odds are against you. 1) Multiple Heavy Bag Drill Setting up at least three different sized heavy bags to practice smoothly moving from one to the other, striking them without looking directly at them and not getting hit by them as they swing. Try to keep the bags, and as much of the room as possible, in your view, not focusing in on one bag. 2) Evasion Drill Evading a thrown object teaches one to "take in" the whole room. If you tunnel in on the object coming at you, you'll often get hit with it. You cannot judge the speed accurately unless you spread or "funnel" your vision. When you spread your vision your mind can compare the speed of the object moving to the rest of the stationary objects in the room, giving you an accurate gauge. It's easier to avoid a punch if you don't focus in on your opponent's fist coming at you. It is imperative to "funnel" and not "tunnel" your vision during a confrontation. 3) Three on One Grip Breaking Drill Knowledge of breaking various grips (on clothing, hair and wrists) is a pre-requisite. 3 "bad guys" moving at a slow to moderate pace grab "good guy". Good guy's goal is to move constantly and economically, breaking grips with as little struggle as possible. Good guys should use cracking (stepping between assailants), screening (use one assailant to block the others) and redirecting (deflecting an attack (person) into another attacker or a solid object - a wall or car will do.) 4) Redirection Drills Redirecting bad guy who attempts to grab your legs, tackle you or pin you against a wall. Start slowly and progressively pick up speed. 5) Two on One Blocking Drill Good guy stands in one spot so he's forced to block and not evade. 2 "attackers" stand at 45 degree angles in front of "good guy" and throw strikes and kicks at him. Good guy must be economical in moving and span his vision. 6) Three on One Firearm Retention Three "attackers" in full protective equipment (head to toe) try to disarm good guy. Good guy must defend himself and keep his firearm. 7) Ground Fighting I've heard trainers say "In a multiple situation don't go to the ground, you won't be able to protect yourself against the group." The problem is this: you may find yourself knocked to the ground because you're confronting a group of attackers. In a perfect world you wouldn't hit the ground in a multiple confrontation when attacked. But don't forget Darrell Lunsford was on the ground within 3 seconds. Techniques should include falling, defense against kicks and stomps, a ground position that will allow easy access to your equipment, ground shooting tactics and safely getting up. During the above drills trainees should be constantly reminded to span out (funnel) vision, listen for what's being said or foot steps. On an advanced level the drills can be done with changes to the environment (make surface slippery by using plastic bags, change the lighting by using different colors, strobe and dim light, add in loud sounds - radio, gunshots, etc.) to make the stress level higher. Keep in Mind Think about achievable goals. (Like vision, wind and limbs.) You have more targets than the wolf pack does. Don't think about damage you'll inflict or receive. The wolf pack by, nature, is chaotic and that can be used against them. You want to cause the chaos without becoming a part of it. Ideally, you want to fight instinctively yet strategize and analyze. You have to be able to think on an unconscious and conscious level. With proper training your mind and body will work together to the point that you will plan at moments of the battle and at other moments you'll react correctly without thought at all. Multiple assailant confrontations is a subject that's long overdue in police training. Ignoring it or just mentioning it in the gym will continue to get cops injured and killed. As this article was being completed, an off duty NYC Transit Detective Sergeant was beaten and pistol whipped with his own firearm. Fortunately the Detective Sergeant is alive. He needed extensive plastic surgery to re-construct his face. He had confronted a rowdy, beer drinking group of teens at 5:30 AM in front of the building he lives in. Instead of leaving when requested, the group attacked the sergeant and beat him to the extent that his friends didn't recognize him in the hospital. The days of a multiple assailant attack on a police officer being a rare occurrence are over. Officer survival and defensive tactics programs won't be complete unless they address multiple assailant confrontations. In 1989 Phil Messina stood in front of his peers like a lone voice shouting into the wind. Now finally other voices are joining his. And mine is one of them. We as trainers cannot avoid the future, so let's face it head on. --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest