Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 03:01:15 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 12 #375 - 4 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. RE: Re: video clip: gary lam (Ken Borowiec) 2. hello (Stick Grappler) 3. Re: Gary Lam Chi Sau video (sierraecho1@comcast.net) 4. Re: hello (Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Re: video clip: gary lam Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 14:22:28 -0500 From: "Ken Borowiec" To: Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I agree with Dave on this. I thought the video showed how practicing moves can create flow. As long as one can flow fighting back to escape can work quite well. Ken -----Original Message----- From: Dave Wong [mailto:dave3wo@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 11:02 PM To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: video clip: gary lam > First, the teacher sounds > like he's > almost on the verge of tears. So you're making fun of his English? :-) > Then, he faces pushes > his student > a couple of times with enough force to throw him in to a padded wall. So? Better than into a brick wall, don't you think? > On a serious note, I never understood how cooperative demonstrations > could be submitted as proof of effectiveness. The student never > actually hits the teacher, and even after the technical sequence, the > student rises for yet another round. Thus, the effectiveness of the > sequence of moves is left to the imagination. I'm with you here. Make you wonder how all the co-operative drills we do in class actually could be useful, eh? Yep. The only way to validate it's usefulness is in a fight. Just take a look at Dog Brothers fighting tapes. All the tapping, footwork...where're they? Most of the time it's like two guys keep hitting each other till one guy drops. Seems like what they're showing is most of the things you practise in the class are useless. Oh, and in one of the Dog Brother tapes, they show a 240 lbs former football player crushing his poor opponents. The point they want to bring out is: if you don't have power in your strikes, how do you think you can stop somebody like that? And I think: Geez, that got to be demoralizing. All the smaller guys and girls could stop training right now cuz' they might never have that kind of power. Scary, eh? OK, now I said it. Flame away. _____________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard > disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 15:02:40 -0800 From: Stick Grappler To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] hello Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net hello: some of you may/may not know me. it's been a few yrs since i've read ED. got busy with school, work, wife and kids now. as DBMA has it, i'm in the "Family Man" stage of life now. just wanted to say hello to Ray Terry et al :-) --__--__-- Message: 3 From: sierraecho1@comcast.net To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 00:39:07 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Gary Lam Chi Sau video Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I guess I got a different download than you Glints. I thought the power of the centerline strikes were pretty clear. I saw two cooperative demonstrations and two where the other guy did counter a couple of times. I think that's pretty realistic for a demonstration. I suppose you could go start a bar fight if you wanted to get into "real world testing" discussions. I'll pass. I don't think this guy Lam is going full speed either I think he has lots in reserve from watching the video. The idea I got was that the centerline geometry of the Chi Sau is very powerful and fast when practiced. Sticky hands is a great drill even for those who primarily wrestle as a martial art. I'd be willing to bet that if you researched around dojos and martial arts circles after a while you'd conclude that the hand speed and power of Wing Chun/FMA/and Western Boxing is very effective and definitely worth learning to add to a library of styles to draw from. For most I'd say a good fast, hands oriented style is the best option to use as a base for all their martial arts skills. Oh yeah and taking a cheap shot at someone's language or voice tone is not cool. It only leads people to beleive that you participate in other ignorant ways such as racism and elitism. I hope that's not the case. For the other follow up email I'd have to say that the big guy isn't always going to win you might always run into those better or luckier than you but realistic, open-minded practice and awareness improves your chances greatly. Peace and Dojo grease. Henry > > This video is hilarious ! First, the teacher sounds like he's > almost on the verge of tears. Then, he faces pushes his student > a couple of times with enough force to throw him in to a padded wall. > Boom, slump. > This could be topped if he were to push his student into a swimming pool, > then take a sip of drink. > > On a serious note, I never understood how cooperative demonstrations > could be submitted as proof of effectiveness. The student never actually > hits the teacher, and even after the technical sequence, the student rises for > yet another round. Thus, the effectiveness of the sequence of moves is > left to the imagination. --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray Subject: Re: [Eskrima] hello To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 20:01:48 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Welcome back. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest