Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 03:01:31 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 12 #382 - 7 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Balintawak instruction in Cebu (malcolm knight) 2. RE: Natural fighters (Marc MacYoung) 3. Re: Natural Fighter (Jorge Penafiel) 4. Natural Fighter (Lance Cross) 5. natural fighter (Stephen Lamade) 6. Atienza Kali (Aaron Alejandro) 7. Protect your valuables (Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "malcolm knight" To: Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 12:10:17 -0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Balintawak instruction in Cebu Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi all, been a while since I posted but I am planning a trip to Cebu April next year for 3 weeks. I have been trying to find contact for Henry Jayme and Nick Elizar to try and arrange training with them but no luck. Anyone know where I can get good honest instruction in the Balintawak style in Cebu? I seem to remember reading something about there being schools around Capitol area , Juana osmena, but any suggestions are welcome. Thanks in advance Malcolm K. --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Marc MacYoung" To: Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 09:57:42 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] RE: Natural fighters Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Isn't there a "neurological" aspect to the natural fighter? Not just a > willingness to fight, as noirpalm suggests. Not so much physical, like > bigger or stronger. Not just an accumulation of experience. More like it > seems he has more natural attributes--more quick muscles, quicker > reaction, more "fighting" coordination, etc. > Something like seeing some people dance naturally, while some have the > proverbial two left feet. > Jay de Leon Yeah, there is very much a neurological aspect to physical conflict. A book that while very questionable in its techniques (Got a lot of feedback from Ph.Ds in psychology going "errrrrrr" about it) introduces you to the idea of "thin slicing" is "BLINK" I also don't particularly like his claim that only he can teach you how to do it. It does however, give you an idea about how this kind of thought processing works. One of the hardest challenges I have when training people with lots of training in systems is to break them out of autopilot mode for when the situation changes. They have ingrained responses that they automatically do -- even if the circumstances change, thereby rendering what they are attempting to do ineffective. The ability to shift gears and adapt in midmove is what is functionally being discussed here. There is a definite thought/analytical process that is involved in conflict. And yes some people have a better... well talent for it than others. They "Grok" it more instinctively. However, like a musical ability the raw ability to process this way has to be worked on and developed. Mozart was a musical genius, that doesn't mean however, he didn't have to learn how to play instruments --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Jorge Penafiel" To: Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 13:40:38 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Natural Fighter Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Greetings All !! Ironically,, I had once a student who fits all the physicality and motor skills of what the Forum thus far so described as Natural Fighter. Surely, some of us Instructors at one time have this kind of student in our class and maybe know of one around. They are a separate and/or maybe special breed of personas to reckoned with. Flipside however, some Natural Fighters also carry some negative predicaments. Like in this one-time student I had. In the beginning, mine was an OK astute gung-ho student. Admired his work-out ethics, warrior bravado and combat excellence. So glad to have him around. Eventually, after having gained enough knowedge (he thinks), he showed us what he was really inside. Sensing this,,regretfully I had to let him go cause my class started to dwindled down as my students cease coming back because of him. Last we heard he had gone and moved to many other classes with the same outcome. His attempted class sessions dissolves out-right because of ruggedness and out of norm MA approach. Having him around became a deterrent, it created a "watch-out" feeling with-in the class and thus was not good for the business. Why so ?? Aside from the great fighting genetics he possesses, he too have the biggest ego and braggadocio plus that silent demeanor was just leary. Hey I'm good and I can kick anybody ass that sort of attitude just exudes out of him. To him the usual free-controlled class sparring should be treated as a street fight. Be teaching a technique and pretty soon he is doing something else!! And don't even start a debate or discussion with him about anything as his way/thinking/philosophy/reasoning/BS is the right way. Oh well, many more but two words to described him - A PAIN !!! My experience least to say and a watch-out for us Instructors!! Bests sometimes is a problem. Jorge Penafiel ... --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Lance Cross" To: Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 14:14:26 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] Natural Fighter Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net All, The last three comments on Natural Fighters I would agree on. Most of the things that win fight, we have little Natural Control over. Meaning that the intangable qualities that make a good fighter are set up in us naturally, whether at a strong level or not. Training can increase various aspects of the fighter and the level achieved would be dependent on your susceptability to the type of training you are under. I have had quite a journey in the martial arts and found this: about 1 in 10,000 people are good fighters naturally. Genetics, Lifestyle, Life Experience and frame of mind have developed them. The other ones who have an egotistical need to think they are good natural fighters fall in two catagories: The ones whos world will fall apart if they cannot live up to their ego and are willing to do anything to claim victory. and The ones who are all mouth and walk away just in case they lose. (Rarely Have I been able to tell the difference) I teach martial arts, and have had (bad) fathers mouth off alot about how tough they are, last week one said to his kid he could kick my ass. I laughed so hard to one of my senior students about the lack of civility and the curse he must have in life! I broke my foot right after breaking the other one over the summer. I still don't get around well. Don't think I would do good against anyone, despite this obvious enfeeblement he still needs to feed the old ego! Speaking on "tough guys" that occur naturally, Mental Hospital Orderlies! Anyone who has to deal with people that have no pain registers (some autistic people, maniacs etc..) seem to have developed well to handle violence, and they have the compassion to try to not harm someone who may not be able not to controll themselves. (At least in Canada) Although it would be nice to be on a team that has the resources for restraining someone everytime you needed it on the street :) -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.0/167 - Release Date: 11/11/05 --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Stephen Lamade" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 20:26:33 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] natural fighter Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Jay de Leon wrote: "Isn't there a "neurological" aspect to the natural fighter? Not just a willingness to fight, as noirpalm suggests. Not so much physical, like bigger or stronger. Not just an accumulation of experience. More like it seems he has more natural attributes--more quick muscles, quicker reaction, more "fighting" coordination, etc. Something like seeing some people dance naturally, while some have the proverbial two left feet." I know someone who just seems to "see" things quicker - so you always seem to be working slower, harder, etc., while he just sails along... I also heard a story from a mutual friend that he (the person mentioned above) didn't like going to movies because they gave him headaches - but that T.V. was o.k. (This was back before digital video was used in place of film, in some movies.) My friend wondered if the problem had to do with the fact that, at 24 frames per second, there was an unconscious picking up of the division between the frames which would normally blur together to make movement on the screen appear seamless; in contrast, a t.v. image moves slightly faster at 30 frames a second, so the blur effect is more pronounced and easier on the eyes... So I think that yes, there is neurological aspect involved. To make matters worse, my friend has great "listening" skills that just make you, well, humble, when we're doing things like push hands, sparring, etc. I usually feel like I'm a block of wood in comparision. Re. Jay's comment about people just being able to dance naturally (not me, brother - just ask my wife!): my friend with the enhanced neurological attributes likes to say that "fighting is just dancing with bad intentions." Best, Steve Lamade By the way, noirpalm - you're on a video clip on the "video" thread (post #7) at www.fmatalk.com -I hope you don't mind the gratuitous use of your image to make a point. And I haven't forgotten about the jow - I'm still waiting for the flip-top caps to the the bottles to arrive... --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Aaron Alejandro" To: Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 22:02:54 -0600 Subject: [Eskrima] Atienza Kali Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net ED: Just a quick note to report on the Atienza Kali seminar I attended this weekend. With that said, let me say that past seminars I've attended, and studied the arts in, include Guro Dan Inosanto (Lacoste/Inosanto Kali), Grandmaster Tony Somera (Bahala Na), Tuhon Chris Sayoc (Sayoc Kali), Tuhon Leo Gaje (Pekiti Tersia) and Grandmaster Jeff Delaney (Modern Arnis). While each system brings some essential tools to the FMA Kali structures, I want to compliment Guro Carl Atienza and Guro Allain Atienza for a great seminar this weekend in Wichita Falls, Texas at Warriors Way Martial Arts Academy. Special thanks to Sifu Harley Elmore for doing a wonderful job of sponsoring outstanding instructors and seminars. Some history: Atienza Kali was developed by the late Edgar "Butch" Atienza in New York City. As a Kali practitioner and experienced street fighter he saw the need for a fighting system that addressed the challenges one encountered on the street, including defense against armed assailants and multiple attackers. He began to modify techniques and drills according to practical experience and refined his training methods for over three decades. The result is an extremely effective system that emphasizes intensive footwork and assaults against multiple attackers, with techniques in empty hand, blade, and impromptu weapons. Our seminar focused on: blade simulator and evolution No. 1, footwork and body mechanics which make attacks and counter-attacks with a single sord much more effective. We learned concepts of proper fighting range, Body Shielding Method and True Path tactics. Also, the use of proper body mechanics in conjunction with effective footwork was emphasized and reinforced at all times. In addition, we spent time with impromptu weapons and ways to use them to clear an area against single and mulitiple opponents -- very effective information. The seminar was presented with the utmost integrity and professionalism. Should anyone have the opportunity to train with the Atienza guros at a seminar or with a training group, I would highly recommend this system to hone and improve FMA kali skills. I suspect we will all learn more about the effectiveness of the Atienza Kali system as it continues its assimilation into a more public FMA community. Respectfully, Aaron Alejandro www.execselfdefense.com --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 20:20:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Eskrima] Protect your valuables Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://www.stupidvideos.com/Default.asp?VideoID=1277 --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. 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