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Re: natural fighter (RavenSire@aol.com) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 02:44:42 -0800 (PST) From: Felipe Jocano Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Balintawak instruction in Cebu To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net You may want to try checking the RAPID website - hopefully the school you mentioned also placed its advertisement there. The owner/publisher of RAPID, Mr. Daniel Go, may also have the contact info you need. Bot --- malcolm knight wrote: > Hi all, been a while since I posted but I am > planning a trip to Cebu April > next year for 3 weeks. I have been trying to find > contact for Henry Jayme > and Nick Elizar to try and arrange training with > them but no luck. > Anyone know where I can get good honest instruction > in the Balintawak style > in Cebu? I seem to remember reading something about > there being schools > around Capitol area , Juana osmena, but any > suggestions are welcome. > Thanks in advance Malcolm K. > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 2 Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Negros website Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 14:19:47 +0200 From: To: Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net The pages worked only with IE for me (I tried Mozilla and Mozilla Firefox as well), the page seemed to load all kinds of 3rd party stuff, so I did a spyware scan after visiting the pages. I did find some items, but they could have come from some other sites as well. Anyway, be sure you have your cookie settings, virus protection and firewall configured, just in case. There's also a discussion forum at http://fmacircle1.kazorum.com/. It loads some popups as well. They're a nuisance but personally I can understand that since they rely on free web services, they have to live with the fact that there are ads on the pages. - Marko >-----Original Message----- >From: ext james jr. sy [mailto:james_sy_jr74@yahoo.com] >Sent: 11. marraskuuta 2005 12.29 >To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Negros website > >Hi Elvin, > >The website address is http://fmacircle.ph.tc. Alternatively, >you can search Google with the the keywords "fmacircle" or you >can visit wikipedia.org and do a search on FMA circle. Hope >this helps. If anything else fails, please inform me. We >will see what we can do. > >James U. Sy Jr. >Bacolod City, Negros Occidental, Philippines > >Elvin Certeza wrote: >Funny... I can't seem to open the pages >Best regards, > >*Certeza Family* >Jojie, Leah, Kiahra & Kahyla >--------------------------------------------------------------- >--------- > > > >Ray wrote: > >>FMA website focus on local groups >> >>The FMA Circle of Negros Island was officially launched by Ronin on >>September 26. It is a website dedicated to martial arts >organizations, >>practitioners, instructors, masters, and grandmasters in the >Negros Island. >> >>FMA Circle of Negros Island is a group of organizations and >individuals >>with a common center. That center is the martial arts, >whether Filipino >>in origin or not, as practiced by Filipino warriors and >scholars of the >>warrior ways. >> >>The website seeks to provide reliable, legitimate, and documented >>information on local martial arts for research and other purposes. >> >>As of date it contains not less than 75 news items, articles, and >>issues that cover at least 34 forms of martial arts, at least 67 >>martial arts organizations, 16 cities and municipalities in >Negros, and >>other areas in Antique, Iloilo, Manila, New York, Pavia, and >Roxas City >>among others. >> >>Arts covered include aikido, Brazilian jiu-jitsu, conceptual martial >>arts, espada y daga, Filipino Tang soo do, grappling, Guarra style >>modern arnis, herada pigada, judo, karate, kickboxing, Kimdo, >kombatan, >>Lapu-Lapu Vinas arnis, mixed martial arts, muay Thai, oido de >caburata, >>original Filipino tapado, pencak silat olahraga, Presas style modern >>arnis, Romero arnis de mano, shibashi, sikaran, taekwondo, tai chi >>chuan, Tanique arnis, tapondo, Togle style modern arnis, Vasquez >>modified karate, Vasquez modified tapado, western boxing, wushu >>sanshou, yaming, and Yasay sable among others. >> >>Some of the organizations covered are All Philippine Sipa-Sumbag >>Martial Arts Federation, Arjuka-Malingin, Atleta Judo Club, Bacolod >>Aikido Enthusiasts, Bacolod Consolidated Sports Management >Association, >>Bacolod Negros Arnis Federation International Inc., Bacolod Oido de >>Caburata Arnis Society, Bacolod Taekwondo Association, Bertar Karate >>Kan, Black Falcon Martial Arts Association-Main, Black Mamba Arnis, >>Brotherhood Martial Arts Federation, Brotherhood of Mixed Martial >>Artists of Bacolod, Centralian Fighters Martial Arts Club, Conceptual >>Martial Arts Society-USLS, Dangayan Singkaw-Ryu Aikidokan, Defensive >>Tactics, Don Bosco Aikido Satori Dojo, Dumaguete Arnis Association, >>E.A.S. Tracma Knights, DC Kali-Silat, Fight Club Combat & >>Streetfighting Center, Golden Kamagong Arnis Kali Escrima >Association, >>Guarra Style Modern Arnis and Self Defense Association, Guinabo Arnis >>and Combat Sports, International Philippine Martial Arts Federation, >>Intercontinental Federation of Martial Arts Schools, >Kalantiaw Defense >>Society, Kalupaan Tapado Association, Kimdo Martial Arts >Organization, >>Koryo Martial Arts, Kyokan Dojo, Lapu-Lapu Vinas Arnis Aficionados >>Association, Manapla Taekwondo, Muay Thai Association of the >>Philippines-Dumaguete, Muay Thai Association of the >Philippines-Negros >>Occidental Chapter, Negros Amateur Boxing Association, Negros >>Federation Arnis Club, Negros Occidental Baston Federation, Negros >>Taekwondo Mission Association, Oido de Caburata Arnis Group, Original >>Filipino Tapado Long Stick Fighting Association, Philippine >Integrated >>Martial Arts Academy-Filipino Tang Soo Do Association, Philippine >>Modern Arnis, Philippine Pencak Silat Association-Negros Occidental, >>Red Dragon Fighters, Romero Arnis de Mano, Sagay Taekwondo >Association, >>San Carlos Jungle Fighters Martial Arts Club, Sarkara Judo Club, St. >>Joseph High School Martial Arts Club, Tai Chi Chuan Circle of >Bacolod, >>Tanique Arnis and Combat Club, Tapondo International Federation Inc., >>Tario Oido, Undokan Martial Arts Association, United Negros Fighting >>Arts Academy, USLS Aikido Club, Vasquez Modified Martial Arts, >>Victorias Taekwondo, Warriors Club, Wild Judo, Wolfhound Taekwondo, >>Wushu Federation of the Philippines-Negros Occidental, Yaming Arts, >>Yasay Sable, and YMCA Judo and Sports Club. >> >>All are welcome to visit the website at http://fmacircle.ph.tc. FMA >>Circle of Negros Island will be updated periodically. >>_______________________________________________ >>Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members >>Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >>Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard >>disclaimers apply >>http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > > >--------------------------------- > Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 06:46:21 -0800 From: Mike McKenzie To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Balintawak instruction in Cebu Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hers is the email address of Nick Elizar- teovelsnickelstick@yahoo.com -Mike --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 09:38:53 -0600 From: "Van Harn, Steve" To: Subject: [Eskrima] RE: Natural fighters Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net "Andrew Evans" wrote: Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Natural Fighter... In response to Lance's comment regarding natural fighters, I notice that some of the best "natural fighters" who win consistently do it with extraordinary violence. It's like a switch that just gets flipped. One axiom I preach for self-defense is that the best way to overcome violence is with extraordinary violence." Comment: This nails it exactly. I think a great many of us have one of those coworkers but don't always know it. I worked with one for many years and he made a great think tank and sounding board not to mention ego check. For him a fight against one was simply no challenge. 3 opponents was just getting fun. 5 was finally a challenge. Weapons, OK. When handguns became much more prevalent around here in the '90s he finally started to slow down. Once took one shot with buckshot and then took away the gun before the other went off. Of course the gun was then destroyed on the opponents face. I heard a great many other stories and had many of them confirmed from various sources. There were a great many factors wrapped up in his psychological profile and he fit many of the indicators of an obsessive, attachment personality. The biggest factor in his winning was the switch, and I saw it happen when we were "playing" and he explained it. Basically if it's flipped, a red sheet of rage drops and hell hath no fury. You had better knock him out or kill him and he has never been knocked out. Why? He had no neck for starters. He was very portly, 5'4" and very unassuming until he was mad (sad part is, alot of things made him mad). And boy, alot of people made that mistake. Even after I warned them they continued to underestimate him. He never had any formal training but was astute enough to pay attention and be prepared for whatever came his way. Through sheer anger and minimal technique he could survive a great deal. He was fairly smart, freakish strong, had great reflexes, a very, very high pain tolerance and one helluva hook. Put his own father in the hospital for 3 months at the age of 15. So even at that point he hadn't had alot of years of "experience". In the end for me, he helps keep things in perspective. One would never give him a second glance but I always envision him being the guy I would be unfortunate enough to have a run in with and base my training on how would I win(survive) him. Steve --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Marc MacYoung" To: Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 08:26:12 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: natural fighter Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > From: "Lance Cross" >The other ones who > have an egotistical need to think they are good natural fighters fall in > two > catagories: The ones whos world will fall apart if they cannot live up to > their ego and are willing to do anything to claim victory. and The ones > who > are all mouth and walk away just in case they lose. (Rarely Have I been > able to tell the difference) I think there is a third category. That is someone who is missing something inside them and who is desperately trying to prop themselves up by being a dojo uberwarrior or knowing some deadly fighting art. Such individuals use training as a form of self-medication instead of addressing their real issues. M --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 09:33:03 -0800 From: Stick Grappler To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] updating my site part 2 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net hello: > Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 07:56:03 -0800 > Subject: [Eskrima] updating my site [RE: Eskrima digest, Vol 12 #377] > > but for now, i have had not had the chance. i have about 7mbs of info on it. i stand corrected - free site has 20mbs of which i've filled it with 19.5mb or so. will need to get another free site and link them. very truly yours in the martial arts, sg http://stickgrappler.tripod.com --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "abreton@juno.com" Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 19:06:56 GMT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] natural fighter Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I came across a study in the last year or so where they tested stress in people in the military special forces and regular population controls. They gave them some sort of task to do and measured their stress reactions. I can't remember the details; I do remember it was a biological marker of stress, and I'm thinking probably cortisol levels. Anyway, they basically found that the SF guys had a much higher threshold for stress; that is they produced less stress hormones. The conclusion these researchers drew was that rather than being bothered by the multitude of little stresses and worried thoughts that most of us have but probably aren't even aware of, these SF guys just went right to the task at hand and did it. In every article like this, there's always the chicken-and-egg question: do people who have a higher threshold for stress gravitate towards these jobs or does the training and experience from the jobs produce the higher threshold for stress. I remember the authors made a case for the former in the discussion. I wish I could remember the exact reference or how they made their case (the discussion section is usually an extrapolation on what the results mean). I think their observation is borne out by the discussion here: there's a directness to natural fighters. It may be that the same "lack of stress chatter" also produces a person who can master coordinated tasks more easily. I remember a story from the Inner Game of Tennis. The author notices that people were trying to hard to get their strokes right and that trying itself was getting in the way of results. He asked them to act like they had a movie camera on only their stroke (forehand, backhand, whatever) like they were acting in a movie playing the part of a pro, and that the camera wouldn't capture where the ball went. The ball could sail out of the court, as long as they looked good doing it. Lo and behold, they had really good strokes and, rather than sailing out of the court, the balls were well-placed on the court. Andy Andy -- "Stephen Lamade" wrote: Jay de Leon wrote: "Isn't there a "neurological" aspect to the natural fighter? Not just a willingness to fight, as noirpalm suggests. Not so much physical, like bigger or stronger. Not just an accumulation of experience. More like it seems he has more natural attributes--more quick muscles, quicker reaction, more "fighting" coordination, etc. Something like seeing some people dance naturally, while some have the proverbial two left feet." I know someone who just seems to "see" things quicker - so you always seem to be working slower, harder, etc., while he just sails along... --__--__-- Message: 8 From: RavenSire@aol.com Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 17:03:31 EST Subject: Re: [Eskrima] natural fighter To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net hi all, i've been watching this "natural fighter" thread... in 1974 i visited puerto rico, where my mom is from. i was 17 and went to visit a family i knew little of. i had met all of them at some point upon their visits to new york, where i lived at the time. one of my favorites was my uncle, casimiro sierra, world war 2 heroe and vega baja's (my mom's town) machete fighting champion in the late 1940's and early 1950's. yes, he learned kali/eskrima from his best friend in the armed forces while stationed in the philippines. he also favored me because of my martial arts studies... here is the story: we were at a town bar named "lalos". some rough-necks were hassling a waitress that my uncle fancied. he asked me: you ready? i said: sure (being cocky at 17, many trophies won in traditional full-contact japanese tournaments). he got up, told the guys to leave her alone. the first guy went to push him, tio casimiro went 45 degrees to his right front, lowered a bit and punched this guy on his outside left knee. the guy went down so fast i thought he was shot. the next guy made a move and my uncle chopped his neck neck with the thumb-side of his opened hand and dropped him over the guy on the floor. then he lifted his leg and stomped on the guys ankle, i heard the crack. the third guy hesitated, my uncle grabbed him by his lower lip and chin and slammed him into a table. three guys down and i was still standing where i was... the police came and recognized my uncle. they told the three damaged men: how dare you pick on our oldest enforcer and they laughed. later we spoke, i was kind of ashamed for not taking being a part of all this. tio told me (in spanish): you are young, you must learn not to hesitate. if a wolf wants you, he doesn't think about it. years later i found out that the japanese have a word for this used in many aspects of life. "honshin", original thought! a samurai never second guesses! he goes for "TD", total devastation! its not an eye for an eye. its: you crossed the line, you're dead, lets move on! its his first thought, no hesitation! my uncle was a natural fighter! in 1974 i sparred with him many times (jugar de manos or play with the hands). he whipped my ass constantly, destroyed what came at him, took a shot to give one, stepped on my toes, kicked my shins, punched my knees, palmed me anywhere possible, grabbed my ears and who knows what else. i came back a different person. new york was not ready for me. one more thing: about all those tournaments i fought against the japanese and won... my uncle asked: are you that good or are they that bad? i can say that i'll never be a natural fighter like tio casimiro, but i am a better fighter because of him. i know they exist, i'm not scared, but i am cautious.... i've had students like this and i usually have to destroy them and hope they leave before they realize that they are "natural fighters" and start enjoying themselves at the cost of others who are not! peace, raymond, south florida --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. 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