Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 03:01:49 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 12 #396 - 3 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2200 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Nguni stickfighting (Gibson Kente) 2. Re: ....and now back to eskrima... (Pat) 3. Re:[Escrima]Musashi Miyamoto (AnnPeirce@aol.com) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 13:09:23 +0000 (GMT) From: Gibson Kente To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Nguni stickfighting Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello all There is quite a lot around stickfighting and I will try and explain as much as I can. Nguni refers to the people who speak the Nguni group of languages, namely Xhosa, Zulu, Ndebele, Swazi. These people developed a strong warrior ethic and methods of fighting, wrestling, weapons etc. These were latter refined and made more effective by the warriors of King Shaka kaSenzangakhona kaZulu ( Shaka Zulu). Firstly stickfighting is a system used to prepare a young man for his role as a protector and nurturer of his home. He learns it to prepare himself for the task of the warrior ( Ibutho), it is also a preparation for real spear fighting in battle. - where do you learn it? I don't know of any formal academies or schools. The teaching of the arts starts at home, when a child is about 4yrs old. This stage focuses on teaching various empty hand blocks, faints,and footwork. It is normaly mothers who teach the little guy this by play fighting with him pretending to hit him whilst he ducks and parries. When the child is old enough (8yrs or so) play sparring is started using reeds usually far away from home so the kids cannot run back to mummy when the going gets tough. This is supervised by an older boy who acts as a teacher and referee when things get too hot. Much of the training is on trees and bushes letting the young man familiarise himself with his weapon. In the teenage years real sticks are used made from wild olive branches or other hard words. These are decorated with symbols and other designs. The stick length is determined by the wielders height. There are four types of stick contests Idabi (skirmish)- when different bands fight each other at the same time on an open field this is quite dangerous as casualties are frequent. Umdlalo ( The game) - When young men meet in a circle and challenge each other this is associated with much pageantry and is quite fun.The fight is one on one a bit like a DBM gathering. The challenged then either prepares to fight or agrees with the statement and prevents a fight. The winner is the one who manages to beat all the boys in the circle in single man combat he is called the champion(Intshatsheli/Ingqwele). Ukucela Umngeni: Is a contest between regional champions usually a week before an initiation ceremony. This is done to settle old scores before going into the mountain hut, this is the most dangerous of times as everyone one wants to make their mark (excuse the pun). Ukuqula: Is the low impact game used by older men in traditional events. Its function is to show the fighters dexterity and the beauty of their techniques. This is also used in training for harder contests. There are stickfighting festivals held about twice a year in the former Trans and Ciskei. These co-oncide with young men going to and from mountain initiation schools - what are the characteristics? The focus is on evasive footwork with feinting. circles straight lines triangular verbal distraction body slapping and stomping ( to distract) Flexible joint movement to gather stick momentum The stick blows are applied with a twisting movement on impact so as to generate more power. The main target arrears are : 1. Ankles and shins 2.Pelvis 3. Ribs 3. Side of the neck 4. The head The attacks are applied with varied rythms and from personal experience most fighters have a sequence or system of attacking and tend to follow this same pattern only varying the distractions. The arm or hand is not sort after too much as a target in sparring as the aim is to make the opponent voluntrary drop his sticks and runs away. Only then can one truly claim they have won. Ways of Winning 1. Opponent puts sticks down 2. Opponent runs away 3. Opponent shout "Meela" ( akin to Uncle) - is there a specific style of stick that you use? Three types of sticks are used: Igqudu (knobkirrie) used with a large shield Intonga- a sharpened stick used with a small shield or on its own. Isagweba- is a heavy headed throwing stick it was used during the war times to unhorse a rider or a charging oponent. In kwaZulu Natal there is a special stick that developed for sparring. what is the single over-riding principle of NSF? Move like a river in order to cultivate: - Individuality - Adaptability - Fearlessness - Ferociousness - Winning with honour - are there any "kata" or is it just about a series of techniques? Since it is a fighting orientated art there are no set katas. There are various sequences that are developed to teach the basic parries and evasions but these differ from region to region. The are aso stricking sequences teaching patterns of attacks drilled with verbal instruction. Ranges of technique Striking with sticks and legs Grappling, upright Tripping and takedown These are learned in real time with fighting so you develop what works under pressure. This way every stickfighter is developed as an individual with a unique way of combat and strategy. The art is about defending yourself against aggressive attackers, serious injury and even death are known to happen. ___________________________________________________________ WIN ONE OF THREE YAHOO! VESPAS - Enter now! - http://uk.cars.yahoo.com/features/competitions/vespa.html --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:06:04 +0000 From: Pat To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] ....and now back to eskrima... Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net On 11/21/05, Wylie Mitchell As to Silat and Kali, what is your take on siniwalli techniques within each- good points and bad,not which you think is better as a sysytem... but what you see within each systems technique as to double stick? There you have the floor: as i have never been exposed to Silat stick fighting methods i cant comment -- Pat www.amag.org.uk --__--__-- Message: 3 From: AnnPeirce@aol.com Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 23:39:33 EST To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re:[Escrima]Musashi Miyamoto Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Lane:I understand what you mean about the strikes being more three dimensionally. When I first started, I had all these templates that showed different angles for strikes. It wasn't until I started working with my instructor that I learned that there was a lot more to it. There are many ways to strike at any of these angles. Each one having its own three dimensional path. To draw the perfect strike would require many drawings at different angles. I don't know of any artist that has created such a peace of art. I would guess it would come from the Philippines if it existed.... Bill. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest