Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 18:58:18 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 12 #400 - 9 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Nguni stickfighting targets (Yael) 2. Primitive Weapons (Lance Cross) 3. Filipino "Pana" (Jorge Penafiel) 4. Cover girl (Ray) 5. Re: Filipino "Pana" (jay de leon) 6. Re: Cover girl (jay de leon) 7. Ancient form of Filipino martial arts (Ray Terry) 8. SEA Games (Ray Terry) 9. Musashi (Peter Gow) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Yael" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 10:28:41 -0600 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Nguni stickfighting targets Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net While I can't answer as to whether or not it is BS, the floating ribs probably refer to GB 24 (24th point on the gall bladder meridian) which in my (albeit limited) research is considered one of the "fatal" points, along with Liver 13 and 14. See http://www.acuxo.com/meridianPictures.asp?point=GB24&meridia n=Gall%20Bladder for the exact location. Eagerly awaiting more information from anyone else in the know. Blessings, Yael > This also said that the ribs were a target, and also that they were > considered one of the 'fatal' targets on the body, along with the temple > etc. IMHO Floating ribs are certainly a good target for empty hand > strikes or a number 3/4 strike (Inosanto/Lacost), but I am unaware of > any vital points that have the capacity to kill around this area of the > body. > > Am I missing something? Can any of you TCM or pressure point > officionados tell me something I don't know or is a possible fatality > just BS? ---- . . . ----- www.dirttime.org ---- . . . ----- --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Lance Cross" To: Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 14:41:34 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] Primitive Weapons Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net All, Thanks all for the info on primitive weapons. I have studied two weapon fighting systems for quite some time, and for the number of people practicing it, there is probably an equal number of ways of training in it and describing it. There are practical purposes for it, and against it. Fighting systems are not always evolutionary in the sense of, one art slowly becomes another as it adapts to changes. I think it is a weaker version of the fashion industry that sometimes has radical changes, and other times very slow changes and sometimes cycles back on itself. Studying the european medeival sword for a while just proved to me that trends or fashions in swords and techniques popped in and out of popularity. It is the warrior's choice of his committment to his use of weaponry. Does anyone know what percentile of the population is left handed vs right handed vs level of ambidexterity? The urban legend (perhaps accurate?) I heard was: 1 in 6 left handed (about 16%) Left handed people have a higher level of use of their right hand on average than Right handed people of their use of left hand. Most people can learn a reasonable level of ambidexterity. Very Few people cannot learn to use their "other" hand well. -Lance Cross -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.7/181 - Release Date: 11/24/05 --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Jorge Penafiel" To: Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 16:23:09 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] Filipino "Pana" Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Intro: http://www.primitiveweapons.com/home.html an interesting site. Their newest offering was even the infamous Philippine "pana". You mind find it interesting that out there in the streets of the Ilonggo-speaking area of the Philippines, the > "pana" (which is a Tagalog term) is known as the "Indian Target". ===== Oh my,, brings back memories after visiting the site above and looking at their new item for sale- "pana". Guess, since we are in FMA and primitive weaponry, the "pana (to sling)" shown looks similar from what we have in the 60's with some twicks added for merchandizing. I'm Ilongo born and raise in La PAz, Iloilo City. Back then, Ilongo "Tambay/Kanto Boy/Bogoys" (Street gang members) choice for canceled self-defense weapons were either the efficient short blade " pinuti, plamingo, Balisong, tres cantos" and/or projectile weapon such as "pana". Later, the illegally made firearms "Paltiks"came about. Quite sure the early pana was an off-shoot of the typical 2 rubber sling-shot modified to shoot darts instead of ball bearings, marbles, etc., The darts were long usually made using 6 inch nails. As it was too bulky to put into one's pocket, it was further modified into a single rubber sling attached to a short stick and using shorter and faster darts (~3-4"). Humans' ingenuity for innovation at work here... This new Pana now is easy to hide, lighter, and very accurate too at short distant (~10-12 ft) with practice. Once adept, the weapon is great for moving encounters such as in gang street fights (Ramble) common those days. As a Medical technologist working in the Hospital saw an individual with a darts in his eye and chest.. Wheww, what a picture.!!! Just sharing my memoirs with the "pana".. Happy Thanks Giving Day !!!! Jorge Penafiel --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 13:31:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Eskrima] Cover girl Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > http://www.primitiveweapons.com/home.html And Brenda is -hot-!!! :) Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 14:09:26 -0800 (PST) From: jay de leon Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Filipino "Pana" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I wrote about my experiences with the pana similar to my friend Jorge Penafiel in an article "Fighting Weapons of FMA" published by WorldBlackBelt about two years ago. "...and the modern day dart, favored by urban hoodlums. The latter weapon was made up of less than a foot-long steel shaft, razor sharp at the business end and with a feather at the other end, just like an arrow, launched from a slingshot. While still living in the Philippines, I saw many pictures of victims of this projectile, either lifeless or awaiting surgery, with the projectile embedded halfway in their skulls, the feather sticking out." Happy Thanksgiving to y'all. Jay de Leon Jorge Penafiel wrote: Quite sure the early pana was an off-shoot of the typical 2 rubber sling-shot modified to shoot darts instead of ball bearings, marbles, etc., The darts were long usually made using 6 inch nails. As it was too bulky to put into one's pocket, it was further modified into a single rubber sling attached to a short stick and using shorter and faster darts (~3-4"). Humans' ingenuity for innovation at work here... This new Pana now is easy to hide, lighter, and very accurate too at short distant (~10-12 ft) with practice. Once adept, the weapon is great for moving encounters such as in gang street fights (Ramble) common those days. As a Medical technologist working in the Hospital saw an individual with a darts in his eye and chest.. Wheww, what a picture.!!! Just sharing my memoirs with the "pana".. Happy Thanks Giving Day !!!! Jorge Penafiel _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 14:23:43 -0800 (PST) From: jay de leon Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Cover girl To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net with or without the body paint! Ray wrote: > http://www.primitiveweapons.com/home.html And Brenda is -hot-!!! :) Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 15:36:20 -0800 From: Ray Terry To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Ancient form of Filipino martial arts Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net SEA Games: Filipinos target gold in traditional martial art debut By Channel NewsAsia's Philippines Bureau Chief Twink Macaraig MANILA : An ancient form of Filipino martial arts makes it debut as a medal sport at this year's Southeast Asian Games in the Philippines. Known as Arnis, it has a colourful history and is today used by law enforcement officers all over the world. Don't be surprised if this sport strikes you as being vaguely familiar. It is practised in several Southeast Asian countries - under a variety of names such as Krabi Krabong, or Trumbu or Cuong Nhu. But the Philippines lays claim to popularising its term for this stick-fighting martial art. And now even international dictionaries refer to it as "Arnis". Arnis dates back to the 16th century, when Spanish colonisers banned Filipinos from using weapons with blades. The Filipinos responded by learning to fight with something far more innocuous - a wooden rod. They trained in secret - disguising their drills as dances and stage plays - today arnis still bears the marks of its unusual history. No real weapons are used in competition - only props - but the martial art is used by law enforcers around the world. Richardson Gealogo, Vice President of Arnis Philippines, said: "Very effective because a lot of police not only here in the Philippines but, for example, the LA police learn arnis to handle crowd control…" With several policemen in their team, the Philippines is a strong contender for the gold in arnis at the SEA Games. But Rene Tuntunakaw is a tad wary. "I have a feeling the other countries have a good training. Not like us, because they have full support of their country. But as for me I'll fight for the gold," he said. There are already arnis tournaments in Europe and North America, but it has taken a long time to set up a regional competition. Richardson Gealogo added: "We don't appreciate it so much because it's from here. Filipinos are more or less inclined to study other or foreign martial arts instead of their own. That's our nature and we're sorry about that." Will Filipinos cheer their team to gold in this home-grown sport? We will find out at the SEA Games. - CNA/de --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 15:54:06 -0800 From: Ray Terry To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] SEA Games Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Malacañang confident pinoys will win overall championship in SEA Games Published : 2005-11-24 Malacañang expressed confidence that the Philippines will bag the overall championship in the 23rd Southeast Asian Games which unfolds in glittering rites Sunday, November 27 at the Quirino Grandstand. Executive Secretary Eduardo Ermita told officials of the Philippine Southeast Asian Games Organizing Committee (Philsoc) who paid a courtesy call at the Premier Guest House of the Palace this morning that President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo is hopeful of a successful Filipino campaign in the biennial conclave. "We are not only hopeful, we are confident that this time the Philippines will bag most of the medals and will get the overall championship. The entire Filipino nation is behind you," Ermita said referring to the athletes. "Ang masasabi natin sa mga manlalaro, sa athletes ng Pilipinas na do your best! Ating itaguyod ang bandila ng Pilipinas at ipakita natin sa buong mundo na ang mga Pilipino ay magagaling lalo na sa larangan ng palakasan upang sa ganoon ay makita sa buong mundo kung anong uri ng tao ang mga Pilipino(We exhort the Filipino athletes to do their best. Let us play for flag and country and show the world that Filipinos can also excel in sports)," he said. Ermita said he is likewise optimistic that the country can successfully host the games under the stewardship of Philippine Olympic Committee (POC) president and Philsoc chief Jose Cojuangco Jr. and Philippine Sports Commission chair William 'Butch' Ramirez. The Palace assured the safety of foreign athletes, covering media and visitors coming to the Philippines for the SEA Games with the Philippine National Police (PNP) in charge of the safety and security of participants. In an interview, Cojuangco predicted a gold rush for the Philippines in the nine-meet featuring 11 nations from the region. He expects victories to come mostly in the martial arts disciplines such as taekwondo, wushu and arnis as well as in boxing. Cojuangco volunteered POC's grassroots development plan that will increase the chances of the Philippines bagging that elusive gold medal in the Olympics and further strengthen the Filipino athletes' competitiveness not only in the SEA Games but also in the Asian Games. "Meron ng ilang mga Gobernador na nakausap ko na pumapayag sila na gumawa kami ng programa at tutulong iyong mga local governments para sa ganoon meron tayong grassroots developments especially ang sinasabi ko sa kanila, pumili kayo ng lima hanggang 10 sports na doon i-focus ninyo ang atensyon ninyo. Kami naman sa POC tutulong kami kung ano man ang magagawa namin na tulong para pagbigyan kayo ng mga coaches, instructions on how to do it para meron tayong grassroot development for the future(There are many local government officials who are supportive of this cause. I told them to choose five to 10 sports which we could focus on and we will help all the way in realizing a grassroots development program)," he explained. Philippine representative Frank Elizalde accompanied Cojuangco and Ramirez during the courtesy call which replaced the traditional visit of the athletes to the Palace. Filipino athletes participating in the meet are now busy building up for the event in the various venues which include Cebu, Bacolod, Subic, Tagaytay and Los Baños. --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Peter Gow" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 00:42:19 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Musashi Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Having read the book of five rings and talked to some people that have done the Japanese translation I was informed that Musashi used his two sword practice early on in his life not later. It is more than likely that Musashi picked up the technique from the Portugese who would practice sword play with daggers on the docks in Japan. A point of logic is that it is more logical to use two swords than one and remember Musashi was trained by  buddhist monks which may have influenced his view point. Now as many of these monks came from China who is to say that he did not pick up the technique from the monks as there are many Chinese MAs that use two swords which differ from the Phillipino Arts. Regards, Peter Gow Australia --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest