Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 15:42:18 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 12 #406 - 11 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2200 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Documented (bgdebuque) 2. Re: Ilongo "Pana" (bgdebuque) 3. Breakdown of a live rattan singlestick sparring match [DAMAG INC] (Daniel Arola) 4. Re: Documented (Ray) 5. Henry the Black (aka Enrique) (Ray) 6. THREE ART FMA SEMINAR FOR HURRICANE VICTIMS (Bill McGrath) 7. Video clips: krav maga (Jye nigma) 8. Re: The DB Divison of the Unorganized Militia (bgdebuque) 9. Re: Two-Handed Style (bgdebuque) 10. Re: Two-Handed Style (Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 01:04:12 -0500 From: bgdebuque To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Documented Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net In the case of Magellan, I think it is also documented that certain key members of his expedition managed to return to Spain (his chronicler - the Spanish friar Pigafetta, his personal Visayan slave-cum-translator, as well as one of his Ship Captains - Sebastian del Cano). He was also felled by the wooden swords of Lapu-Lapu and his men. A wooden sword cuts just like a metal sword and is supposedly also sharp enough to decapitate a man with a single blow (I think there are still specimens on display in one of the government museums in the Philippines). It is totally different from the Japanese bokken or the sticks we are using now in the FMA. Based on what I have read so far, pre-Spanish FMA was an all-blade affair. The Filipino's affinity for sticks only started when the Spaniards banned bladed weapons. A good living specimen of what pre-Spanish FMA would be the weapons and fighting methods of Muslim tribes in Southern Philippines (specially at the time they went toe-to-toe with the Army of Uncle Sam in the early part of the 20th century). Although it is documented that Filipino Muslims have a two-handed heavy sword technique, I cannot recall any double-sword technique attributed to them (e.g. double-Kris or double-Barong). I will try to check the documented "juramentado" cases against American troops. If Filipino Muslims have indeed a double-sword technique, this would have been the one of the best techniques to use whenever they take the path of the "juramentado". > -- __--__-- > > Message: 3 > From: "Peter Gow" > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 10:38:33 +0000 > Subject: [Eskrima] Documented > Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > bgdebuque, > > Thanx for pointing out that Musashi was the only "documented" user of the > double stick that was in the 16th century. You know I find that amazing > that only one person in Japan uses a double stick and you have how many > in the Phillipines, Thailand, Vietnam, Cambodia and recently from our > newest member Africa. Of course if you still want to believe that one > person who was fully documented in the 16th century and most of the other > empires that mmm ..existed before the 16th century never had people that > were documented then how do you explain the written techniques that have > been published and are available out there. How do we know about Magellan > death? Who documented that? > > I think you have to agree that these are pretty strong arguments. We all > agree that Musashi was intelligent and a warrior. > > Solets talk about Arnis/Escrima/Kali. > > Best Regards, > > Peter Gow > > Australia > > -- __--__-- --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 01:30:06 -0500 From: bgdebuque To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Ilongo "Pana" Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net The problem with using rubber from an inner tire tube is that it does not have seem to have the "follow-through" characteristics of rubber purposely designed for slingshot use. As a result, accuracy will suffer. This is probably the reason why there used to be an entire row of shops at the Iloilo Central Market which sell slingshot rubber. Another problem with the I-frame is the enclosed design of the wire clasp around which the dart should be latched due to the single rubber strip configuration (this clasp is open like a V in the Y-frame). Cases have been documented when the dart got stuck in the enclosed clasp and boomeranged back to the direction of the shooter. One must be very careful, therefore, in selecting the darts that can be launched from the I-frame. > Message: 7 > From: "Jorge Penafiel" > To: > Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 13:25:28 -0500 > Subject: [Eskrima] Ilongo "Pana" > Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > -The underpenetration problem were addressed using choice thick and wide > enough rubber band piece cut from big tire inner tubes. They are smooth, > more > flexible (dipondo) and strong. Plus, the arrow heads made from galvanized > big > nails were lighter and sharpened to do the job. Of course, we did not > practice using empty fuel drums but rather large banana tree trunks which > were > plentiful and user friendly with the darts. Takes lot of time and hard > work to > produce one dart, so why waste. --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 01:04:45 -0800 (PST) From: Daniel Arola To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Breakdown of a live rattan singlestick sparring match [DAMAG INC] Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Breakdown of a live rattan singlestick sparring match -Daniel A. vs. Cpt. Marc E. filename: "DAMAG INC11-07-05livesticksparringbreakdown-Dan-v-Marc.wmv" (21.86 MB) http://www.megaupload.com/?d=YEJMFZNA The purpose for this video is to show how one can flow one hit after another during attack and counter attack even while taking a hit or two along the way. Edited in full and slow motion speeds. It's also another way to demonstrate how we "Take the lickin' and keep on STICK'in" Daniel Arola Fayetteville, NC http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DAMAG_Kali_Stickfighting --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type image/pjpeg which had a name of Dan-n-Marc-livesticksparring 008shield.jpg] [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type image/pjpeg which had a name of Dan-n-Marc-livesticksparring 002.jpg] [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type image/pjpeg which had a name of Dan-n-Marc-livesticksparring 0011.jpg] [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type image/pjpeg which had a name of Dan-n-Marc-livesticksparring 0012.jpg] --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Documented To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 07:22:32 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > In the case of Magellan, I think it is also documented that certain key > members of his expedition managed to return to Spain (his chronicler - the > Spanish friar Pigafetta, his personal Visayan slave-cum-translator, as well > as one of his Ship Captains - Sebastian del Cano). He was also felled by > the wooden swords of Lapu-Lapu and his men. I believe that Antonio Pigafetta was Italian, not Spanish. Of the 260 men who left Spain in 1519, he was one of only 18 that returned in 1522. One of the interesting bits of this voyage is how Magellan managed to miss most of the islands spread throughout the Pacific. By the time he and his crew happened upon the PI they were all mostly dead or very ill from extreme exposure and lack of fresh food and water. I do not believe that Enrique (sp?) returned to Spain. After being the very first person to ever circumnavigate the globe he remained home in the PI. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 07:28:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Eskrima] Henry the Black (aka Enrique) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Good info on Enrique de Malaca... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enrique Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 09:41:03 -0800 (PST) From: Bill McGrath To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] THREE ART FMA SEMINAR FOR HURRICANE VICTIMS Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net THREE ART FMA SEMINAR FOR HURRICANE VICTIMS A FMA seminar to benefit the victims of the recent hurricanes will be held in upstate NY. Where: ESTELLE & ALFONSO'S DANCE STUDIO 2206 ROUTE 9 FISHKILL, NY 12524 (for directions, go to: http://www.pekiti.com/seminars.php ) When: Saturday, December 3rd from 12 to 5 Pm Cost: $40. Please make your check out to “The Salvation Army-Hurricane Victims Fund” Instructors: Tuhon Bill McGrath: Pekiti-Tirsia Advanced Solo Baston and Espada y Daga Datu Rich Acosta: Kuntaw Kali Kruzada: Espada y Daga Serrada-Abierta, Mano Mano / COMJUKAI , Guro Rob Mulligan: Pananandata - Marinas: basic attack and defense, freefighting and traditional Latigo __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 10:58:09 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma To: MartialArtsTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Eskrima] Video clips: krav maga Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://www.combatsurvival.com/videos/volume2.html http://www.combatsurvival.com/videos/volume1.html http://www.combatsurvival.com/videos/volume3.html http://www.combatsurvival.com/videos/volume4.html http://www.combatsurvival.com/videos/volume5.html --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 15:49:33 -0500 From: bgdebuque To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] The DB Divison of the Unorganized Militia Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I consider what you have described as probably the highest form of MA practical application. JD must literally have balls of steel to be able to pull this off (pardon my language...). He definitely can be considered as one with "corazon" in the best tradition of the FMA. -- __--__-- Message: 6 From: "Marc Denny" To: Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 09:50:32 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] The DB Division of the Unorganized Militia Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Woof All: This just in from Pappy Dog: ============== ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Gentleman, Ladies and the rest of you, Junkyard Dog foiled a bank robbery in Hemet California. It seems a man, a very 'gang-memberish looking man' robbed a bank in Hemet. He then used a bicycle as his get away car. Hearing the screams of the teller, JD went in pursuit of the man. It must be said that his Girlfriend, affectionately named "Satan" was right along side. Once they caught up with the man, he grabbed Susan (Satan) and tried to use her as a shield. She immediately began hitting him and broke free. Junkyard Dog grabbed the man and took him to the ground. He then used a Kali arm lock to keep him there until the Police arrived. --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 16:09:33 -0500 From: bgdebuque To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Two-Handed Style Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I think most Arnis/Eskrima schools have a two-handed style embedded in their curriculum. The only one I have personally seen publicly acknowledge it so far is Giron Arnis Escrima with their "Tero Pisada" style. I have heard that Tapado Arnis of Negros Occidental primarily teaches a two-handed single long stick style. I think their contact details can be found in the Negros FMA website somebody posted about a week ago. The Muslim tribes of Southern Philippines, of course, once gained notoriety for their double-handed heavy sword (I think it is called the "balong" but I am not that sure). It has been documented that this sword can slice through the stock and barrel of the a Krag, Enfield or Springfield rifle. > -- __--__-- > > Message: 1 > From: "Lance Cross" > To: > Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 15:25:48 -0500 > Subject: [Eskrima] White Rabbit > Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Do many FMA practice defense against a two handed weapon? or defense with a two handed weapon other than the staff (bankaw?) -Lance --__--__-- Message: 10 From: Ray Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Two-Handed Style To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 16:12:54 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > I think most Arnis/Eskrima schools have a two-handed style embedded in their > curriculum. The only one I have personally seen publicly acknowledge it so > far is Giron Arnis Escrima with their "Tero Pisada" style. Inayan Larga Mano is well known as a two-handed system. As in two-hands needed to control a heavier longer sword. We teach it using a heavy thicker rattan cane from 36" to 42" long. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest