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(Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 14:42:04 -0800 From: Ray Terry To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Cops, soldiers eye promotion thru SEA Games Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Cops, soldiers eye promotion thru SEAG By Cecille Suerte Felipe and Jaime Laude The Philippine Star 11/29/2005 For doing the country proud in the 23rd Southeast Asian Games, military and police personnel who win gold medals as part of Team Philippines will also get promotions. Army chief Lt. Gen. Hermogenes Esperon ordered the spot promotion of Pfc. Maristella Torres to corporal after she won the gold in the long jump. "General Esperon has approved the promotion of Pfc. Maristella Torres to the rank of corporal effective today," Army spokesman Maj. Bartolome Bacarro said, adding that this promotion was made in recognition of Torres' outstanding performance in the SEA Games. Torres defeated teammate and Army S/Sgt. Lerma Gabito, who finished second and won the silver medal, an achievement also lauded by the Army leadership. Besides Torres and Gabito, Army Cpl. Rossie Villarito won a silver medal in the javelin-throwing event. The Philippine Army fielded 91 athletes in this year's SEA Games. Philippine National Police (PNP) chief Director General Arturo Lomibao wished luck to all PNP personnel on the Philippine team, particularly those competing in boxing, cycling, karatedo, athletics, shooting, arnis, table tennis and pencak silat. Lomibao personally spoke with PO2 Mitchel Martinez, a woman boxer who bagged the bronze medal in a previous Asian tournament. "I told her a promotion awaits her and all the others who will bring honor to the country with a gold medal," Lomibao said in an interview at the white house, official residence of the PNP chief, yesterday afternoon. Clad in a white barong with the SEA Games logo on the left chest, Lomibao said the PNP will also sweeten the winners' pot with cash and commendations for all other medalists: "That will be their incentive to perform with excellence. We'll see how much budget we can afford to give them." Besides Martinez, other athletes from the PNP include: boxing coach SPO4 Leopoldo Cantancio, boxers PO3 Nolito Velasco and SPO1 Alexander Arroyo; karatekas Senior Inspector Nelson Pacalso, PO3 Junel Perenia and PO2 Jerome Laplana; athletics competitors SPO4 Isidro del Prado, SPO4 Dorie Contejo and SPO1 Mario Castro; cyclist SPO2 Renato Mier, shooter SPO2 Susan Aguado, arnis player PO2 Reneto Tuñacao; table tennis players PO2 Ireneo Valle and PO1 Henberd Ortalla; and pencak silat player PO2 Christopher Yabut. Lomibao also commended Task Force SEA Games led by Deputy Director General Avelino Razon Jr. for the success of the opening ceremonies Sunday. Razon said the heightened police deployment will be maintained even after the games end on Dec. 5 to ensure the safety of the athletes and their companions who opt to stay on in the Philippines after the games conclude. "Police deployment will remain until the last athlete leaves the country," Razon said. "We have information that athletes and their companions will go to tourist destinations in the country, like Boracay, and we are duty-bound to keep them safe." Lomibao placed police personnel in Metro Manila and four other key regions in the country on full alert to ensure the country's hosting of the 23rd SEA Games is trouble-free. He also said the police monitored no specific threats to the sports events. The PNP issued the full alert status for Metro Manila, Central Luzon, Calabarzon, Western Visayas and the Central Visayas. Other neighboring regions were put on heightened alert in support of the overall security for the SEA Games. "Police units must strengthen the security of vulnerable police stations, government installations, telecom sites and other vital installations in response to the vocal threats of renewed hostilities by rebel groups," Lomibao said in his reminder to the PNP's regional, provincial, district and station commanders nationwide. --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Ray Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Two hands To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 15:47:24 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > The Tapado which James Jr. references can be seen in Tape 6 "The Stick vs. > Other Weapons" of our "Real Contact Stickfighting" series. IIRC Ron Harris > mentioned learning from GM Nono Mamar. Although Top Dog came out on top on > the two occasions witnessed therein, that does not mean that the results > could not have been otherwise against a different man. I think it safe to > say that all of us came away with respect for the system and its > capabilities. Al Concepcion also studied Tapado from Mamar and had great things to say about the system. I know that he was a real convert and evangelized at the drop of a hat. If I recall correctly, on Tape 6 the young Filipino guy w/Ron does a lot better with his Tapado than did Ron. Again, IIRC, his angles were just different enough to cause more of a problem when closing. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 15:51:03 -0800 From: Michael Koblic To: Eskrima digest Subject: [Eskrima] Multiple points Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net There are a number of intertwining threads running right now: 1) Musashi. Has anyone had the opportunity and skill to read him in the Japanese original? I have read the "Book of five rings" several times and I am not sure that I have grasped everything there. Is the meaning lost in translation or is it the lack of contemporary references? 2) Multiple weapons. In the Krabbi Krabong seminar I attended I was told that the training in sword starts with double sword and progresses to a single sword. I was also told that statistically single sword will beat double sword in an encounter. Is this related to training and skill level? I mean is there a level of skill up to which the second weapon simply gets in the way and you are more likely to be defeated through this encumbrance but then there is a sort of giant step with further training when the second weapon becomes an asset? What would the resident gurus use in preference in an encounter if the choice were limited to the following: single 28" stick, double 28" stick? Would the choice be different if the choice were single katana or katana and a wakizashi/tanto? Rapier (40" blade) or rapier and a dagger? 3) Long weapons. Guro Crafty has a nice DVD out on staff based on Pekiti Tirsia. What is the optimum length of an impact weapon? What about weight? I suspect the two will interact and a heavier weapon will need to be shorter to be manoeuvrable depending on the strength and built of the wielder. But I suspect also that there is a point beyond which the length becomes counterproductive. I haven't seen many succesful fighters using the proverbial 10-foot barge pole... It is good to walk like a warrior for all one's days,but if we have to limp along that path, we may as well be supported by the best stick available :-) 4) Primitive weapons. Ron Hood (of Hoods Woods) has a decent DVD on making and using primitive weapons, some of which have been mentioned here. Ron is another very clear presenter and his camera work is excellent. One can forgive him that he occasionaly borders on exhibitionism :-) For those interested he has a bunch of other DVDs on wilderness living. My favorite is the one on fire-making. Michael Koblic Campbell River, BC --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:32:47 -0500 From: bgdebuque To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Video clip: 93 year old Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I would consider myself lucky if I ever reach 60... =[:->] BTW does anyone have any idea on who is the oldest arnis-eskrima performer ever recorded on video? I can only remember GM Visitacion but I don't know how old he was on that video recording. Message: 8 > Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 02:05:21 -0800 (PST) > From: Felipe Jocano > Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Video clip: 93 year old > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > I saw the clip, and man, I hope I can move like him at > 93. Come to think of it, I hope I can still move at > all by then :-) > > Bot > > --- Jye nigma wrote: > > > Got this from another group, the author is a die > > hard BGZ man: > > > > jye > > > > > > Here a clip of an old Wushu master named Ma > > ZhenWu demonstrating the > > eighteen –arhat boxing at the age of 93 years old. > > Now I like for > > you to post a clip of a 93-year-old Korean man that > > can top this > > demonstration. Or better yet, post a 93-year-old TDK > > master > > demonstrating his art with flexibility, agility, and > > stable stances > > at this same martial level. Or better yet why not > > post your self > > demonstrating at the level of this old me in this > > clip.LOL --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:16:16 -0500 From: bgdebuque To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Arnis rules in SEA Games Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I perfectly agree with you. As far as empty-hand techniques are concerned, I myself do not believe (and have never trained) in "point-fighting". It's an entirely different matter, however, as far as bladed weapon fighting is concerned. While a heavyweight can just practically "wade through" the punches of a featherweight in an empty-hand fight, for example, the same featherweight will probably "neutralize" (I am being euphemistically politically correct here) the heavyweight with his very first strike in a bladed weapon fiight. In a simulated blade tournament, therefore, points should be awarded based on "what would have happened if the combatants were both armed with bladed weapons". I think this is also the basic principle of the scoring sytem in kendo (if there is any kendo practitioner out there, please butt-in immediately if a correction is warranted). >From a single-stick arnis-eskrima perspective, this means that if your lone stick forearm gets intercepted with sufficient force by your opponent, whatever subsequent strike you were able to make after the interception would already be void because, in a real blade fight, you would have no longer been in a position to deliver the strike after the interception was made. This should be an entirely different matter, however, in a double-stick bout. If your right forearm, for example, was intercepted but you still managed to strike your opponent's neck with your left stick, then you should be declared the winner because, in a real blade fight, you may have lost your right forearm but your opponent, on the other hand, willl have literally lost his head... > Message: 6 > From: "Steve Ames" > To: > Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Arnis rules in SEA Games > Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 13:05:41 -0500 > Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > > In actual blade fighting, there is no other choice but to have a > > "point-fighting" mindset. > > Yeah. There's where we'll have to disagree. The "Point-fighting" mindset > that I've experienced in competitions translates to "Its OK to leave > yourself open to all manner of counter attacks as long as you can move > fast > enough to hit the other guy first". Actual blade fighting is about > survival > and not, necessarily, hitting/stabbing/cutting the other guy. The > "point-fighting" mindset de-emphasizes defense. It doesn't allow for > taking > a lesser injury to get in a fight ending counter-attack. Its flawed. > > A better ruleset would be that first hit is valid _UNLESS_ the defender > scored an even better hit within 1s. If both hits were good I'd award both > sides the point. But if the counter hit was superior (in force or > placement) > then the original attacker should not be rewarded for demonstrating poor > technique. > > -steve --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Video clip: 93 year old To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 18:17:31 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > BTW does anyone have any idea on who is the oldest arnis-eskrima performer > ever recorded on video? Maybe Momoy? Cacoy is probably quickly approaching that record. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 18:19:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Eskrima] [The_Dojang] Great new podcast.. Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Forwarding... Great new podcast that has a pretty extensive interview with Bill "Superfoot" Wallace including his opinions about Steven Segall... http://www.karatekast.com/mp3/KK-2005-11-25.mp3 Can go to website or download the file and listen to it in Windows media player... Dave =================================================================== Good Judgement comes from experience, which comes from Poor Judgement. _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest