Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 03:01:43 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 12 #417 - 6 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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RP, Vietnam tie for arnis SEA Games championship (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 00:34:55 -0800 (PST) From: adam babb Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Cutting Steel with Steel To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net since metal armor was so expensive and most of the men who fought at agincourt were pesents and couldn't aford metal armor most wore a lether jerkin for armor ie. thick lether coat i am sure there are better resources on the matter for more info check the history chanel or www.swordforum.com. adam --- buz_ed_alias@mac.com wrote: > Back in the day Lynn Thompson of Cold Steel did > extensive testing on > his blades cutting various sorts of steel. I went to > his site and > tried to retrieve the info, but couldn't find it > with a quick check. > I do still remember the horror and awe I felt when I > first > encountered his tests: horror because he was totally > destroying the > blade I was scrimping and saving to buy, and awe > that he was so > interested in testing the limits of his products > that he was willing > to go wherever the data lead and publish the > results. > > I'm working from long ago memory here, but as I > recall his conclusion > was that a modern, tempered steel blade could cut or > pierce > untempered steel, though specific techniques had to > be applied. Mr. > Thompson is a bit of an iconoclast, think some of > his research > started with the Buck knives claim that their blades > could be pounded > through a steel bolt (Buck's logo back then showed > just that). When > Thompson could not replicate the act with knives he > felt were > superior, he tried to discern what the trick was. > Turned out that an > untempered stove bolt could be cut if you put the > blade in one of the > bolt's threads and then tapped on it with a hammer > until it cut > through. Attempts to cut a bolt with one big swing > of the hammer, > however, proved fatal to the knife. > > Wouldn't surprise me to find that this is a fairly > straightforward > function of Rockwell hardness with a blade say at > least 10 points > harder than another steel able to be coaxed through > the softer steel. > Not sure I'd want a blade that had endured one of > these tests on my > hip, though, when the going gets rough as my > experience is abused > blades tend to fail a lot faster than ones that are > well treated. > Indeed, I'd be curious to learn what medieval > armorers did with > weapons after a major battle like say Agincourt. > They must have > assessed the blades and damage done to decide what > was salvageable; > if anyone has any sources I'd be interested. > > Regards, > > Buz Grover > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > __________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Billlowery" To: Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 11:46:33 -0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: RRB Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi All, I know the UK based rep for the RRB system. Or rather I did, some years ago laws were changed and the RRB was deemed illegal. He lost a load on cash after importing a ton of them. Bill --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 07:51:09 -0800 (PST) From: Leo Salinel To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] for BGDebuque Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi BGDebuque from a fellow Filipino! Since you mentioned you're from Iloilo province in the Philippines I wonder if you are related to Atty. Ignacio Debuque, a graduate of the UP College of Law and former editor-in-chief of its prestigious newspaper, the Philippine Collegian in 1952. Earn $$ just by receiving and reading email! http://www.resource-a-day.net/member/index.cgi?Brandon96 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Peter Gow" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 21:40:19 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Blades versus Armour Plate and Stone Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I have pieces of granite and marble and I use a diamond cutting saw to cut through them as diamond is the only stone hard enough to cut granite and marble, steel is not even in the race.The saw is made of steel and impregnated with small diamond chips and water is used to reduce the friction whilst cutting. There is no way a steel sword will cut through them. The sword may chip the edge and scratch the rock but that's all. Remember granite is formed by volcanoes and compressed over time. A sword is forged by a blacksmith. Now a sword blade that was impregnated with diamonds chips that might be a whole different ball game. Best Regards, Peter Gow Australia --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Peter Gow" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 21:56:52 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Additional note to Stone Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sorry about that. Additionally I should have added the thickness of the granite and marble needs to be taken into consideration. If the granite or marble is one inch or thicker then it is highly unlikely that a sword will cut through the stone. If the granite or marble is only the thickness of a house tile  then with the right amount of strength and speed of the tile can be broken. Regards, Peter Gow Australia --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 14:13:15 -0800 From: Ray Terry To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] RP, Vietnam tie for arnis SEA Games championship Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net RP, Vietnam tie for arnis SEA Games championship First posted 04:01pm (Mla time) Dec 04, 2005 By Meysil Yamat Inquirer THE Philippine arnis team failed to meet their medal projection but was able to tie Vietnam for the over-all championship in the 23rd Southeast Asian Games arnis tournament at the Emilio Aguinaldo Sports and Cultural Center on Sunday. Tied with two golds and two silvers apiece coming into Sunday's competition, Philippines and Vietnam remained tied at the end of the proceedings as the two countries shared the golds at stake in the full contact event. Philippines' Anna Joy Fernandez captured the gold in the women's division as she defeated Vietnam's Le Tgi Thah Huyen and Timor Leste's Elisabeth Yanti Almeda Dois Reis. Reneto Tunacao, however, can only come up with a silver, falling against Vietnam's Nguyen Thanh Quyen in the gold medal match. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest