Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 03:01:26 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 12 #421 - 6 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Swords and Amour (Jeff Monaghan) 2. Re: Sword and silk (bgdebuque) 3. Tohon Bill's Hurricane Seminar (rob mulligan) 4. Blades versus Armour Plate (federicomalibago@earthlink.net) 5. RE: Blades versus Armour Plate (Mitch McKee) 6. Re: Blades versus Armour Plate (Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 01:20:36 -0500 From: "Jeff Monaghan" To: Subject: [Eskrima] Swords and Amour Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Having studied authentic Japanese swordsmanship (Kashima Shin Ryu) from a Japanese priest from the Kashima Shrine before getting into Kali it always bugs me how they show swords clashing together, etc. in demos, etc. Most authentic styles (you can usually tell what style someone studied by the stance and posture) don't block or parry with the blade but rather prefer evasion. If it you do parry it is more of a sliding technique like a bil jee (sp?) attack in JKD where the blade redirects the incoming attack by taking the centerline to the target. Recalling some of my training we spent a lot of time learn sensitivity i.e. maintaining a barrier but not becoming too rigid, creating an opening by feints aka attack by draw, and practicing the proper cutting motion/arc. You didn't block with you sword specifically because your opponents blade might break or shatter or your blade might. If you did parry an attack, you used the soft "rib" back of the blade not the edge. The bokuto ("training" sword) were not light and not at all similar to the bokken you train with in aikido or order from Century. We practiced sparing, wrestling in armour, striking, jujitsu, knife fighting techniques, spear, etc. I was going to purchase an authentic Japanese sword until I found out that they start at $5 -7 K for a blade. Most of the modern Japanese sword arts being taught are derived from Kendo and not true sword arts. I also have a lot of respect for European weapons having traveled extensively in Spain, England and Germany to some of the biggest armories. There was one museum in Spain that had early firearms, swords from the Greeks, Romans, Persians to modern cavalry swords. The same museum also had a large collection - 2 floors of weapons from conquered or visited lands. Some particularly impressive pieces - A war hammer from China (16th Century), beautiful set of Japanese amour (full set for man and horse), various Tachi, Katana, wakizashi, etc. Most striking to me was an apache war club, shield, bow and arrow from the 1500s brought back by Cortez from the new world. Philippine and Malaysian weapons (swords, knifes, spears, etc) and amour (I had to admit I was surprised to see amour from the Philippines, it looked like chain mail fastened or woven into leather.) From some of the museum armourers (sp?)I spoke with - a medieval sword was often used to dispatch a fallen enemy by piercing the plate using the sword guard to drive it downward. The fail, axe, morning star and other blunt instruments were used to crush an opponent or knock him down first. Most European arts were high-level martial arts and not the hacking, etc. popularized in movies. I loved Gladiator, Troy, and some of the recent movies for not portraying the warriors as a couple of guys swinging a sharp stick but as skilled craftsmen. Cheers, Jeff --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 12:32:19 -0500 From: bgdebuque To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Sword and silk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Unfortunately no. 'Did a quick search through Google... Is this the Japanese-made magic trick kit being sold online? =[:->] Message: 1 From: "Peter Gow" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 10:02:49 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Sword and Silk. Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net bgdebuque, Are you familiar with the old sword and silk trick? Regards, Peter Gow -- __--__-- --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "rob mulligan" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 13:17:44 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] Tohon Bill's Hurricane Seminar Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net At the expense of this becoming an FMA mutual admiration society…   The Hurricane Relief seminar sponsored by Tuhon Bill Mcgrath was a tremendous experience for everyone there – teachers and students.   My students not only got to dip their ladles into a great well of knowledge, but got to come home with new friendships as well.   Thanks to Tuhon Bill for his humor, his depth of knowledge, real world experience, and for providing the really excellent location. Thanks to Datu Rich for his gentle demeanor, insight and expertise, and also for trekking with his students from three hours away to freely give his time. Both these men are as humble as they are skilled, and are true gentlemen. Thanks mostly to all of our students and guests, who came out on a cold Saturday  raising money to help the hurricane Katrina victims: people they don’t know and will probably never meet. I appreciate the kind words from Tuhon Bill and Datu Rich, but it was their efforts that truly made the day. I truly look forward to joining them again next year.   Rob Mulligan www.kwikstik.com                           --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 14:51:02 -0600 (GMT-06:00) From: federicomalibago@earthlink.net To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Blades versus Armour Plate Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >From: "Marc MacYoung" >"In the Reformation armour reached an incredibly advanced state. In fact, the >more you know about the complex interweaving of offensive/defensive >technologies and strategies on the Renaissance battle field the more >impressed you will be. Using that technology I will without hesitation go up >against any blade system out there. It's that good." >M Magellan had the same opinion to the point he felt 30 guys in plate armour could take on 1000 men without it. Federico --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Mitch McKee" To: Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Blades versus Armour Plate Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 21:34:15 -0500 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I wasn't just the armor. I was also the matchlock muskets. Mitch -----Original Message----- From: federicomalibago@earthlink.net [mailto:federicomalibago@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 3:51 PM To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Blades versus Armour Plate >From: "Marc MacYoung" >"In the Reformation armour reached an incredibly advanced state. In fact, the >more you know about the complex interweaving of offensive/defensive >technologies and strategies on the Renaissance battle field the more >impressed you will be. Using that technology I will without hesitation go up >against any blade system out there. It's that good." >M Magellan had the same opinion to the point he felt 30 guys in plate armour could take on 1000 men without it. Federico _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Blades versus Armour Plate To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 19:21:53 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Magellan had the same opinion to the point he felt 30 guys in plate armour > could take on 1000 men without it. But also remember that 'Maggie' screwed up by arriving at low tide which kept his cannon too far from the beach, and the chief that was to help w/warriors didn't show (or didn't help). Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest