Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 03:01:46 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 12 #430 - 5 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: THE LAST SILK FACTOR (bgdebuque) 2. Re: Tonfa (Arndt Mallepree) 3. Re: Magellan bites the big one (Uwe Weber) 4. Re: Tonfa (Ray) 5. Re: Tonfa (RavenSire@aol.com) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 00:51:09 -0500 From: bgdebuque To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] THE LAST SILK FACTOR Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net The most important factor, which I purposely left out to analyze the trick from a purely mechanics point of view, is the strength of silk itself as a fiber. The Mongols supposedly pioneered the use of silk as body armor (or did they just copied it from the Chinese?). I briefly saw on TV a few months ago a documentary showing the results of recent experiments conducted by the Thai police on the use of silk as a substitute for kevlar as material for body armor. I think they were claiming that the initial results are quite encouraging. > -- __--__-- > > Message: 3 > From: "Peter Gow" > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 21:05:16 +0000 > Subject: [Eskrima] bgdebuque - THE LAST SILK FACTOR > Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > bgdebuque, > > There is one factor that we both nearly forgot. When the wave/lump of air > hits the scarf there will be a little wave of air ( a ripple), that is > bounced back off the scarf. > > Galang, > > Peter Gow > > Australia > > -- __--__-- --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Arndt Mallepree" To: Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Tonfa Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 16:46:40 +0100 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net No I didnīt! The training curriculum in my part of the country comes from a Wing Tsun Sifu called Salih Avci. I for myself donīt like to hold the baton at the sidehandle and then move into an angle one by force to force blocking! (Blocking a person that is acting with a short stick ore basballbat! What is your opinion Ray? Arndt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 5:18 AM Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Tonfa >> I would like to know whom of you are teaching law enforcement in the use >> of a >> Tonfa. As a cop in Germany I am teaching stuff I really do not agree >> with - >> but they want me to teach this stuff. > > Have you checked the Monadnock PR-24 Training Manual? > > Ray Terry > rterry@idiom.com > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Uwe Weber To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Magellan bites the big one Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 22:41:56 +0100 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net bgdebuque schrieb: > > 3. Advantages in the level of fighting skill and weapon technology > are not absolute, beyond a certain treshold, it can be overwhelmed by > sheer numbers. I am not sure that we are doing Magalhaes justice here. Parts of this discussion look like he was just a fool, arrogantly underestimating his enemy (like Custer) and therefore easily beaten. But he was Portugal's greatest hero of the time, known for his courage and fighting skill. Attacking much larger number of enemies was something he did quite often. He saved the battle of Cananor for Portugal, where eleven Portuguese ships fought mor than 200 Arab vessels. He was known as the 'Hero of Diu', where he personally led a small group of soldiers on board of the ship of the Egyptian admiral, Hussein the Invincible. They captured the ship, took Hussein prisoner and won the battle. During the battle of Malakka he led the decisive attack over the bridge from the Chinese quarter into the Malay quarter. The report I have read about this, shows him beginnig the attack alone against heavy artillery fire and attacking elephants with his lance. He was wounded many times, one time fighting the Arabs in North Africa. This wound crippled one of his legs. During his last fight he is first wounded in the leg. I do not know, whether he was wounded in the crippled leg or in the other one, but think about it: What does that mean for hist stance, his footwork? Only eight men are still with him, the others have fled. His group is retreating and the enemy is concentrating his attacks on M. He looses his helmet two times, but neither does he run nor does he try to surrender. One man is able to wound him with his spear in the face. M. kills him, but looses his weapon and is then rushed and killed before he can draw his sword with his wounded right arm. If the Spaniards that were with him had stayed with him and fought, who knows how the day would have ended. But there were mutinies and conspiracies from the Spaniards against M. during the whole voyage. Regards, uwe --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Tonfa To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 14:19:18 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > No I didn't! The training curriculum in my part of the country comes from a > Wing Tsun Sifu called Salih Avci. > > I for myself donīt like to hold the baton at the sidehandle and then move > into an angle one by force to force blocking! (Blocking a person that is > acting with a short stick ore basballbat! > > What is your opinion Ray? Actually I am not all that familiar with the PR-24 manual. I just have several LEO and PR-24 LEO instructor friends and students and have watched them perform and teach the standard department approved PR-24 techniques and PR-24 class. So I have frequently heard them speak of the approved syllabus in the manual. I also worked out with them using single stick Eskrima techniques against the PR-24. Eskrima worked just fine... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: RavenSire@aol.com Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 19:59:42 EST Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Tonfa To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net i have taught tonfa to LEA (law enforcement agents) here in florida. i have practiced japanese shoto-ryu karate-do since 1970... in 1992 i was granted the godan rank (5th dan), certified in japan. i also hold a sandan rank (3rd dan) in kobudo (okinawan farm-tool/weaponry). the tonfa was once used to destroy an oponent who had a sword. much like spain came to the philipines, japan decided to make okinawa their own. the satsuma samurai sent there, demanded taxes on land already owned by the farmers. if payment was not given, they took what they wanted, raped your wife, daughters and younger sons, maybe even killed the farmers. all bladed weapons were taken from the farmers to avoid a revolt. like the filipinos, the farmers taught themselves to use other means (farm-tools). the tonfa being one of them. strikes were to the head (crown, temple, philtrum, maxillary jaw-hinge), the collar bones, the back of the hands, fore-arms, elbows, ribs, knees, shins, ankles, toes, etc. it could block a sword and smash a skull in the hands of a skilled individual. it was also taught in a short amount of time, not like today, where it is drawn out (the longer it takes, more money is made). i do not teach the standard okinawa kobudo techniques which i learned in my 35 years of japanese/okinawa martial arts training. standard tonfa techniques would get many of my friends investigated for police brutality! i teach a method of flipping so the tonfa can go from the standard grip to the axe-type grip (holding the opposite end of the handle and using the handle to pull in or hit with it). any questions, i am always willing to help... -raymond alamo, shihan chief instructor, densetsu kuken karate-do shoto-ryu, u.s.a. southeast region/florida --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. 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