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Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Clements video (Marc MacYoung) 2. Big blades, small blades (Marc MacYoung) 3. Knife in an elevator (Michael Koblic) 4. Re: Steel vs. Steel (bgdebuque) 5. Re: Knife in an elevator (Joaquin Torres) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Marc MacYoung" To: Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 08:54:15 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] Clements video Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Marc asked > Marc > Where might one find this footage? http://www.thearma.org/ You have to weave through the footage to find broadsword or bastard swords. The other types of weapons that he uses require some unique handling. M --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Marc MacYoung" To: Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 09:09:56 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] Big blades, small blades Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > From: "Michael Koblic" > The more I am looking at this, the more it is obvious that fighting with > blades over 24 inches or so is a totally different beast to fighting with > sticks or smaller blades. The other thing that IMHO changes the techniques > cosiderably is the presence or absence of hand guard. A friend and I were playing with a model that helps explain the idea of both the similarities and the differences. Basically you take a pie chart and divide it into equal pieces. In each slice you put an aspect, (i.e, cutting, hacking, stabbing). What you then do is look at a type of blade or fighting system. Each different one divides the pie differently. Some weapons have "slices" that take up more than half the pie, while other aspects are sliver thin in that type of fighting. That's how those blades are used. Another pie however, would have a totally different distribution of aspects. For example a rapier would have a much bigger application of stabbing than a katana. This model helps people understand that while the similarities are important the differences are just as important. So when you pick up a different weapon you don't try to use it like you would one you are already familiar with, but instead look into how the pie is divided in that system. > "Thing is if you watch tapes of Clements fighting you will quite often > see > him MEET the incoming blade edge to edge and THEN flick his blade so the > flat is facing the -- now -- deflected sword. This is NOT the same as > parrying/blocking the incoming blade with the flat." > > This illustrates the value of video in exposing BS. Yes, no, maybe sometimes. My point isn't that Clements system doesn't work. It does. What it does do however, is point out the value -- and the potential for BS -- of marketing. Clements made a name for himself claiming that he was doing something different, when in fact, he was doing something already well known. But he stated it in a controversial way that caught him major attention. There are several people in the MA and DT world who have done exactly the same thing. It's not that their system is any better, but their marketing sure is. --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Michael Koblic" To: "Eskrima digest" Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 14:35:34 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] Knife in an elevator Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://user21165.websitewizard.com/files/unprotected/GRAPKNIFE.mov Why is there no effort to cut the kicking leg? Am I missing something? Would the scenario change if the knife wielder was not forced to carry a shield? Michael Koblic, Campbell River, B. C. --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 21:59:44 -0500 From: bgdebuque To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Steel vs. Steel Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Given the same blade material and dimensions, I think the "flat side" blade would, theoretically, also be the first one to break (assuming one has enough strength to hold on to it). > Message: 5 > From: "Marc MacYoung" > To: > Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:25:43 -0800 > Subject: [Eskrima] Steel -v- Steel, etc. > Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > > From: Ollie Batts > > To: > > Subject: [Eskrima]> Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > Ollie Bates quoting > > Following the recent topic I contacted Master Armourer Christopher > Dobson > > remember that to avoid serious nicking of edges, > > many parries were made on the flat of the blade, and the classic (and > > wrong) > > idea of warriors cutting edge to edge didn't really happen. > > > One of the bigger problems that I have with Clements point is that I have > tried to block with the flat of the blade. And guess what? That sword > snapped right off in my hand. Given the same blade strength, I think the "flat blade" will, theoretically, also be the first one to break (assuming that you have enough strength to hold on to it). --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 23:17:17 -0500 From: Joaquin Torres To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Knife in an elevator Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Looks like yet another knife defense technique from people who don't train to actually fight with a knife. Do you learn defensive driving skills from someone who can't even drive a car? Joaquin Torres Michael Koblic wrote: >http://user21165.websitewizard.com/files/unprotected/GRAPKNIFE.mov > >Why is there no effort to cut the kicking leg? Am I missing something? Would >the scenario change if the knife wielder was not forced to carry a shield? > >Michael Koblic, >Campbell River, B. 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