Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 03:01:49 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 12 #435 - 5 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Knife attack in a lift (Ollie Batts) 2. re: Steel vs. Steel (Marc MacYoung) 3. Recommended Viewing (Jon Broster) 4. Tonfa Vs Stick (Peter Gow) 5. Big blades, small blades (Michael Koblic) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 12:50:42 +0000 From: Ollie Batts To: Subject: [Eskrima] Knife attack in a lift Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net "Why is there no effort to cut the kicking leg? Am I missing something? Would the scenario change if the knife wielder was not forced to carry a shield? "Michael Koblic, Campbell River, B. C." Wouldn't it have been easier for him to have given the guy his wallet in the first place? I mean, if the attacker's intention was simply to assassinate the other guy, then surely the defender wouldn't have even had the pleasure of seeing the blade in the first place. Pugil --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Marc MacYoung" To: Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 09:07:49 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] re: Steel vs. Steel Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > From: bgdebuque > Given the same blade material and dimensions, I think the "flat side" > blade > would, theoretically, also be the first one to break (assuming one has > enough strength to hold on to it). Now you know why his position was so controversial M --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 22:17:12 +0000 (GMT) From: Jon Broster To: Eskrima Digest Subject: [Eskrima] Recommended Viewing Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Just a quick heads up for a fantastic film, called "Bang Rajan". It is set in Siam (Thailand) and is the story of a village that repels repeated invasions by the Burmese army. Think BraveHeart with Krabi Krabong, lots of huge battle scenes and lots of blood. One really cool aspect is that the fighters are not doing some kind of generic sword fighting, (viking-kali-kendo), but they really do have the KK style. I picked up a Dutch copy (still in English, but the box is in Dutch) on ebay for 7Euros. Jon "There's nothing more dangerous than a blunt knife" http://www.pecahan.net --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Peter Gow" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 22:48:26 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Tonfa Vs Stick Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Arndt, Relax man, I was in no way saying that you were disrespectful to anyone that has taught you -you have misunderstood what I typed. Anyway in regards to a tonfa versus a stick. It is okay to train one against another for training and to vary the experience but you should remember that 1. The stick is much lighter and travel much faster than the tonfa within striking range.  2. When using the tonfa the sideways movement of the wrist in greatly inhibited. 3. The the wrist movement of the stick wielder is full movement.   4. The tonfa are heavy and take time to move - extra weight to carry on the arms. 5. Sticks are much lighter than tonfa so achieve maximum speed v.v.quickly. 6. Because of the free wrist movement and shoulder movement, angles can be changed by the stick person at full power Eg: A strike to the top of the head can easily become a strike to any part of the body. 7. The extra weight of the tonfa slows down the arm movements. You may disagree and possibly not even like the next point but it is not meant to be taken personally or to be an insult. The point is purely historical. 8. If tonfa are so efficient then why over time(the last 500 years) have they never been a popular weapon? 9. The stick is very popular because it is a natural extension of the arm and allows full movement of the arm joints. Yes the stick is easier to use intially and the tonfa requires a different skill set as it is a different weapon and not an easy weapon to learn - the challenge??? The tonfa is a good training aid the additional weight helps to strengthen the  arms  and the tonfa wrist movements strengthen the wrist in one direction. Therefore your arms can move faster when you do not have the tonfa and you may develop a stronger wrist when punching like a western boxer or a Japanese exponent. Tonfa also develop the grip. Please do not take all the above the wrong way I am in no way trying to dissuade anyone from learning anything in the martial arts. As the more knowledge you know the better you are for it. These are only points for your information. You can either use them or throw them in the bin. Its your choice. Also Ardnt what would you prefer to have a stick or the tonfa? As for me you already know I will take the stick/blade. I think I have exhausted myself on this topic. All the Best and Train Hard. Galang, Peter Gow Australia --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Michael Koblic" To: "Eskrima digest" Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 15:51:39 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] Big blades, small blades Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net "This model helps people understand that while the similarities are important the differences are just as important. So when you pick up a different weapon you don't try to use it like you would one you are already familiar with, but instead look into how the pie is divided in that system." ***Amen to that. But this could take up most of your life :-) Maybe the Canadian government will give me a grant to study this. Or could someone endow a chair at Princeton? "Yes, no, maybe sometimes. My point isn't that Clements system doesn't work. It does. What it does do however, is point out the value -- and the potential for BS -- of marketing. " ***I am sorry, I was not attacking Clements' system of which I know very little. I was making the point that video seldom lies and just because someone says they do something does not mean they actually do it when you watch them, particularly at 1/16th of the real speed. This of course applies to things one does oneself. I found videoing my own techniques, be it MA, golf or tennis, educational and depressing at the same time. What I thought I was doing was nothing like the reality. Michael Koblic, Campbell River, B. C. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest